It makes a big difference to me whether we're 7-9 or 1-15. People will erroneously believe that a higher draft pick leads to success on the field. That's a fallacy. Theoretically the probability suggests that's the case, but the Patriots are proof it does not.
Going to a game is an entertainment event for the attending fans. Most want to see wins on the field while we'll let the draft take care of itself. If the Front Office knows what they are doing drafting the right guys is more important than drafting a high pick. For the money and time I spend on Sundays for the entertainment the goal is to win. Success is not a destination, but a journey.
Regards......................the Chiefjag
For all the knee jerkers in this thread, this team will be 14-2 next season with homefield advantage throughout the playoffs. Dave and 'em explicitly stated somewhere that this will be a 3-8 year process If you don't believe in miraculous overnight turn around then just go and cheer on the Packers or some other winning team.
Forgot to add in there Gene Smith...that is all
Quote:So if we don't match our last year's record, and it looks like we won't. Will Khan do what's right and pull the plug on the failed Bradley experiment? I don't give a crap what anyone says, this team has gotten worse, and there is no way Bradley is the right man for the job.
How do you only get 2 wins in your second year of a new regime. O line and Fisch should be gone tonight.
Here is an exercise. Think back to the 2013 season, and go position by position on both sides of the ball listing the best players at each position. Now list the best players in 2014 at each position and rethink that statement.
People are very misinformed if they don't believe the higher the draft pick leads to a higher probability of getting a better player. It also enables a team to trade down for additional picks.
Quote:People are very misinformed if they don't believe the higher the draft pick leads to a higher probability of getting a better player. It also enables a team to trade down for additional picks.
Doesn't every pick but the final one?
The higher the draft pick only insures the GM of a higher probability of getting the player he covets. If the GM is not good at his job it does not give him a higher probability of getting a better player. That's two different things. Here's our last 6 draft picks, all in the top 10.
Bortles
Joeckel
Blackmon
Gabbert
Alualu
Monroe
How many of those guys are stellar performers for the Jags?
Regards.....................the Chiefjag
Quote:The higher the draft pick only insures the GM of a higher probability of getting the player he covets. If the GM is not good at his job it does not give him a higher probability of getting a better player. That's two different things. Here's our last 6 draft picks, all in the top 10.
Bortles
Joeckel
Blackmon
Gabbert
Alualu
Monroe
How many of those guys are stellar performers for the Jags?
Regards.....................the Chiefjag
I dont see why you are listing the past 6. The only relevant ones are the past two.
Quote:The higher the draft pick only insures the GM of a higher probability of getting the player he covets. If the GM is not good at his job it does not give him a higher probability of getting a better player. That's two different things. Here's our last 6 draft picks, all in the top 10.
Bortles
Joeckel
Blackmon
Gabbert
Alualu
Monroe
How many of those guys are stellar performers for the Jags?
Regards.....................the Chiefjag
Better yet, how many of them are still here? To only have 3 (well, technically 4, but Blackmon is one joint away from being banned for good) of the last 6 first rounders is not good. It's no wonder that we are in the situation we are in today. Those first rounders should be the core/nucleus of our team. This shows that bad drafting is hard to overcome quickly.
What is shows is drafting high does not increase the probability of getting better players if your GM is not good at his job. It only shows he has a high probability of getting the player he wants.
Regards..................the Chiefjag
Thanks for reminding us all how bad we are at the draft and destroying what little optimism we had for next year.
Quote:Thanks for reminding us all how bad we are at the draft and destroying what little optimism we had for next year.
Sorry for that. I think right now that Caldwell is on the right track for the most part. I think it shows how inept Gene Smith was at drafting, especially in the high rounds. If I'm not mistaken, I believe that I read somewhere that Caldwell was working with Gene Smith's scouting staff when he initially got here, so that may have factored into the 2013 draft. I think the staff was overhauled for 2014 but I could be mistaken.
They'll probably win the last two in fitting Jaguar fashion. I don't mind it, I think this off-season is going to be very good for the team anyway.
Quote:Fire the coach? Is this the only idea drunk people ever have?
The team is a lot better than last year.
The players are better. That's Caldwell's doing.
The results are NOT better. That's the coaches doing.
Except for Meester, the Jags started training camp with all of last year's starters. Two good free agents were added to the DL. Starting rookies was not a requirement, it was Bradley's choice. In any case, Linder, Smith, and Colvin are upgrades, playing better as rookies than the guys they replaced. The players are better, the results are not. There is no excuse for this team doing worse than last year, and the majority of the blame points directly at Bradley and his chosen staff.
Quote:The players are better. That's Caldwell's doing.
The results are NOT better. That's the coaches doing.
Except for Meester, the Jags started training camp with all of last year's starters. Two good free agents were added to the DL. Starting rookies was not a requirement, it was Bradley's choice. In any case, Linder, Smith, and Colvin are upgrades, playing better as rookies than the guys they replaced. The players are better, the results are not. There is no excuse for this team doing worse than last year, and the majority of the blame points directly at Bradley and his chosen staff.
Watch out, you will be called an anti fan or drunk with that statement. Couldn't agree more with you.
With the exception of the NFC East was the 2nd easiest division only to the NFC South in that conference. If it wasnt for the Colts the AFC South would be the laughing stock division of the entire NFL.
Their really is no reason for this team to be as bad as it was this year.
You can say its the youngest team in the NFL, and that the new GM & HC only had two years to rebuild but excuses are tiring for everyone involved.
Andy Reid didnt make excuses he took the Cheifs from being the worst team in the NFL to being undefeated for most of the season going into the playoffs & they are still good this year despite being in a tough division with Peyton Manning & the Chargers.
No matter what Gus Bradley will most likely have another year to prove himself, so I think the debate on coaches is a bit pointless. I feel that Gus is a good person and a good coach even though his record doesnt prove it.
I'm keeping the faith until 2015 season gets going & if I continue to watch this poor performance I will start to complain like others...
Quote:With the exception of the NFC East was the 2nd easiest division only to the NFC South in that conference. If it wasnt for the Colts the AFC South would be the laughing stock division of the entire NFL.
Their really is no reason for this team to be as bad as it was this year.
You can say its the youngest team in the NFL, and that the new GM & HC only had two years to rebuild but excuses are tiring for everyone involved.
Andy Reid didnt make excuses he took the Cheifs from being the worst team in the NFL to being undefeated for most of the season going into the playoffs & they are still good this year despite being in a tough division with Peyton Manning & the Chargers.
No matter what Gus Bradley will most likely have another year to prove himself, so I think the debate on coaches is a bit pointless. I feel that Gus is a good person and a good coach even though his record doesnt prove it.
I'm keeping the faith until 2015 season gets going & if I continue to watch this poor performance I will start to complain like others...
I agree with most things you said. Your point about rookie players and stuff is right on. It's not an excuse. Every team has rookie starters. Look at the rams. They can never keep their starting QB healthy every year. With that said, they look nothing like the Jaguars. They are competitive all the way through, and have been on a winning streak.
It's too obvious it's the staff and their lack experience and knowledge. Gus may have been good at Seattle, but he's not a head coach. As for Fisch, lol he needs to go back to college.
Quote:I agree with most things you said. Your point about rookie players and stuff is right on. It's not an excuse. Every team has rookie starters. Look at the rams. They can never keep their starting QB healthy every year. With that said, they look nothing like the Jaguars. They are competitive all the way through, and have been on a winning streak.
It's too obvious it's the staff and their lack experience and knowledge. Gus may have been good at Seattle, but he's not a head coach. As for Fisch, lol he needs to go back to college.
Yea, I remember when I was 14 and had it all figured out, too.
Quote:Yea, I remember when I was 14 and had it all figured out, too.
You mad bro? Just because someone is not on the Gus band wagon, for obvious reasons, you think they are too stupid or immature to see your big picture?
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