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If you are dumb enough to believe these guys, then go ahead and continue to believe them.

Apparently Linder and Joekel gave the business to Watt. He was 0-17 against them in passing situations. I wonder if it was the continuity of the line that allowed pressure on BB.

I don't need somebody after the game to tell me who did good or bad.  I can see for myself that Watt was unblockable in the second half.  there were a few plays when he was able to be blocked, but that was the exception.

 

Every play where Bortles had to escape or move up in the pocket immediately.... Watt is affecting the play.  Bortles had to play every snap with Watt in his head.  He had to account for where Watt was rushing and avoid him.  It was obvious to me.

Apparently Linder and Joekel gave the business to Watt. He was 0-17 against them in passing situations. I wonder if it was the continuity of the line that allowed pressure on BB.


Still think we have w problem though. I can't believe that they played well. They just didn't play horrid like last week.

Saying Linder played well should not be a surprise. He has been great this year, especially considering he is a rookie. He is clearly our best lineman.

Quote:Just because a play doesn't work doesn't mean it's a bad idea.  (I know, I know, if Fisch called it, it must be bad - right? I assume you're texting Bradley daily with your suggestions.)

 

Sometimes you go to a rusher's side, to play off his aggressiveness. Sometimes it actually works.

 

I'm sorry - I interrupted. Please continue your Fisch bashing.

 

It only works if the rusher will chase the playfake.

 

If the rusher just goes straight upfield the way Watt did (and many rushers we've seen this season) then it doesn't work.

 

If the guy is an aggressive run stuffer then it works, but against guys who are more aggressive rushing the passer it doesn't.

Quote:Apparently Linder and Joekel gave the business to Watt. He was 0-17 against them in passing situations. I wonder if it was the continuity of the line that allowed pressure on BB.


Still think we have w problem though. I can't believe that they played well. They just didn't play horrid like last week.

 

I did see a couple plays where Linder held his own, but they just continued to line up Watt over Young.  It was a good strategy by them that they have employed the past two weeks.  They line up Watt on a backup lineman and he's unstoppable.

 

Quote:Very confused as I seemed to see pressure several times. O line gave up 3 sacks and didn't see many running lanes opening up.


What is the truth in all this? Their definition of good is unacceptable to me.

 

I'm sure good is a relative evaluation in this case.

 

They were better than they were against the colts, and they were good enough to let the Jaguars get into the red zone three times in the first half.

 

Dropped passes and a bad decision and pass from Bortles in the third quarter killed what could have been seen as a more positive performance.

Hearing that from two people paid by the team means nothing. Pumping sunshine at its finest.

O-line was not good!!  Can you imagine if Henne was at QB....  Houston would have had twice as many sacks.  They need to stop looking at the number of sacks and compare Bortles average time to throw with other decent O-lines (excluding roll out plays).  We need a solid upgrade at RT and improvement across the board this offseason.

Lageman explained why there was the perception of so much pressure.  After watching the game film, he put the bulk of it squarely on the QB.  He said Bortles needs to learn to step up in the pocket and trust that his line will do their job.  He focused on the 3 sacks for Watt, pointing out that 2 of them were garbage sacks and only one was really earned. 

 

He also pointed out that Joeckel vs. Watt was won by the LT.  Joeckel was beaten twice during the game, but neither time was it Watt on the giving end. 

 

He also pointed out that Linder completely stoned Watt when they went head-to-head. 

1 sack was naked bootleg with watt unblocked (they underestimated his speed or Blake was too slow getting out there)

1 sack was planned rollout away from watt with Blake Slipping (gimmie sack)

1 sack was Coverage sack noone to throw to and not stepping up.

 

But How many pressure to make throws early there were more then 3 but all in all  the oline pass protected well. RUn Blocking SUcked. get rid of the Z blocking i see linder out there covering his zone and noone is there to block and beadels is trying to block 3 guys in his zone its just not working.

That second one, where Blake slipped, I think Bortles normally outruns Watt. The Texans had a similar play where Fitzpatrick slipped and Marks got the sack.

Quote:1 sack was naked bootleg with watt unblocked (they underestimated his speed or Blake was too slow getting out there)

1 sack was planned rollout away from watt with Blake Slipping (gimmie sack)

1 sack was Coverage sack noone to throw to and not stepping up.

 

But How many pressure to make throws early there were more then 3 but all in all  the oline pass protected well. RUn Blocking SUcked. get rid of the Z blocking i see linder out there covering his zone and noone is there to block and beadels is trying to block 3 guys in his zone its just not working.

The bootleg was just a well read play by Watt IMO.  He stopped on a dime and halfway expected it I think.

O line played better than the WR group imo even with lee playing well.


Having recorded and closely watched the o-line they actually did really good. Joeckel though i have ripped on him handled Watt. Man to man on 4 occasions i saw. On the early big run from Denard he moved Watt completely out of the play and on one pass blocking situation he flat out grounded him when he tried a spin. Not saying the whole unit played amazing but 2 of watts 3 sacks game on easy gimme plays most decent DEs should sniff out.

Quote:Very confused as I seemed to see pressure several times. O line gave up 3 sacks and didn't see many running lanes opening up.


What is the truth in all this? Their definition of good is unacceptable to me.

 

Joeckle went against Watt 9 times and didn't give up a single sack, hurry, or hit.  Watt went against Young I think they said like 19 times and beat Young once.  His other two sacks were unblocked and one of those two Blake fell down because the ground was wet.  So as far as protecting the QB, the line did a decent job.  Running lanes are a different story, but I don't think it was all on the oline either.  I saw Houston with 7-8 guys in the box several times with a single safety.  They were daring us to throw and left Joseph one-on-one with Lee for pretty much most of the first half from what I could see.  They sold out to stop the run thinking that we couldn't beat them in the air.  It ended up working for them because once they adjusted in the second half the weather had turned and our balls started to be dropped.  

 

So in summary, yes the Oline didn't play badly against Houston.

LG and RT are needs for next season.

 

It's cute to give their chance to undrafted players (Pasztor, Wells) or 3rd string players (Sam Young). But neither is a for long-term starter.

I will give Joeckel another chance since he played only 5 games last year (4 as a RT if I am not mistaken).

Exactly. Watt got 2 free sacks and everyone on espn wants to ride his jock.


My only wish for the line is to improve in terms of communication with the blocking RB and TEs. Both Denard and Toby look lost in pass protection when asked to pickup a blitzing LB and Marcedes/Harbor shouldnt be taking on pass rushers (DEs / 3-4 olbs) in 1v1 situations unless its a very heavy blitz.


Not sure who thats directly on but i almost never see any other team endup with a TE on a full sized 3-4 DE or a RB on 4-3 DE or pass rushing 3-4 Olb.

Quote:Exactly. Watt got 2 free sacks and everyone on espn wants to ride his jock.


My only wish for the line is to improve in terms of communication with the blocking RB and TEs. Both Denard and Toby look lost in pass protection when asked to pickup a blitzing LB and Marcedes/Harbor shouldnt be taking on pass rushers (DEs / 3-4 olbs) in 1v1 situations unless its a very heavy blitz.


Not sure who thats directly on but i almost never see any other team endup with a TE on a full sized 3-4 DE or a RB on 4-3 DE or pass rushing 3-4 Olb.

Its on the Scheme Zone Blocking. Many time i see one of the lineman sitting in thier zone trying to block air while the other lineman have 2 or 3 guys they are trying to block. Man Blocking is what we should be using we would have better success.

Watt got 1 sack because he stayed disciplined on the bootleg and was untouched. He got another because he was untouched and Bortles slipped down.


Credit to Watt because he made the plays but I cant call either play dominant on Watts end.