people seem to equate "getting beat" to giving up a sack. Watt was forcing Young to hold him, he forced Bortles to move around due to pressures.... just because he didn't get the sack doesn't mean he didn't affect the play.
Not to mention the offense had to call mostly quick plays to account for the pass rush. we got shut down in the second half. a lot of it had to do with the Texans pass rush... which Watt is a huge part of.
Quote:What constitutes the 0-17 vs Linder & Joekel?
Based on the above, I'd have to say that we dominated JJ Watt. Freaking dude is probably back home in Houston dreading they day he has to see the Jags in 3 weeks.
Actaully he would be looking forward to playing us, he would expect to go unblocked for a couple of free sacks. He had 3 sacks, 1 he made himself, 2 he went unblocked on. He would love to have that same stat line in week 17.
PFF gave Linder a fantastic rating for the game.
All I know is when I watch other teams, there are times I see the QB take a full drop back, then step up in the pocket, and deliver the ball with a clean pocket. It surprises me when I see it because I can't remember the last time I saw it with this team.
People are always eager to take these things out of context. I'm sure Bradley is well aware of the O-line's deficiencies.
It's obvious the line didn't run-block well and I don't think anyone said that it did. They passed 39 times and ran 18. We'd have seen more runs in the first half if the line were blocking well.
As for pass pro. - it seems they were mostly pointing out that they held their own vs Watt more than the general consensus seems to let on.
Quote:PFF gave Linder a fantastic rating for the game.
All I know is when I watch other teams, there are times I see the QB take a full drop back, then step up in the pocket, and deliver the ball with a clean pocket. It surprises me when I see it because I can't remember the last time I saw it with this team.
I agree, when I watch other games I see this as well. But those other teams also usually have much more dangerous passing games that need to be respected a whole lot more than ours at the moment.
read this analysis from the other side:
<a class="bbc_url" href='http://hou.scout.com/story/1490136-j-j-watt-more-than-a-box-score?s=116'>http://hou.scout.com/story/1490136-j-j-watt-more-than-a-box-score?s=116</a>
They pretty much show you why the Ryan O and Lags analysis is bogus.
He seemed rushed a lot. They may have prevented sacks, but Blake was hurried quite a bit
Quote:people seem to equate "getting beat" to giving up a sack. Watt was forcing Young to hold him, he forced Bortles to move around due to pressures.... just because he didn't get the sack doesn't mean he didn't affect the play.
Not to mention the offense had to call mostly quick plays to account for the pass rush. we got shut down in the second half. a lot of it had to do with the Texans pass rush... which Watt is a huge part of.
I agree with this. Sacks don't tell the whole story. Blake was forced to roll-out, scramble or hurry the pass on nearly every single pass attempt.
Quote:read this analysis from the other side:
<a class="bbc_url" href='http://hou.scout.com/story/1490136-j-j-watt-more-than-a-box-score?s=116'>http://hou.scout.com/story/1490136-j-j-watt-more-than-a-box-score?s=116</a>
They pretty much show you why the Ryan O and Lags analysis is bogus.
Its all subjective. I guess it just depends on which side of the coin you're on.
<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2014/12/8/7354121/gene-frenette-j-j-watt-was-not-a-defensive-monster-texans-vs-jaguars'>http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2014/12/8/7354121/gene-frenette-j-j-watt-was-not-a-defensive-monster-texans-vs-jaguars</a>
Quote:Its all subjective. I guess it just depends on which side of the coin you're on.
<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2014/12/8/7354121/gene-frenette-j-j-watt-was-not-a-defensive-monster-texans-vs-jaguars'>http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2014/12/8/7354121/gene-frenette-j-j-watt-was-not-a-defensive-monster-texans-vs-jaguars</a>
I feel like the houston analysis is far more objective in that they go way beyond just the "box score" plays. They show you several plays where Watt affected the play that arent recorded in stats. They even left out a particular i remember where Watt got held badly.
They also explain how we tried to avoid Watt all day and he still got the "stats" and more.
BCC just focused on the sack plays and tried to argue that Watt didnt do anything.
Quote:Very confused as I seemed to see pressure several times. O line gave up 3 sacks and didn't see many running lanes opening up.
What is the truth in all this? Their definition of good is unacceptable to me.
Joeckel still looks like a rookie, Beadles is average but didn't up big plays, Bowanko is average but playing OK, Linder is a boss and Young actually didn't do too bad.
M Lewis and Ta-ou-ufo (sp?) whiffed and gave up pressures which probably made the O Line look bad. I wouldn't say they played bad but I wouldn't call it good either. I think we should get ride of the FB position or get a better FB and we definitely need upgrades at TE.
I definitely get hopeful when I see Linder powning dudes!
Quote:I agree with this. Sacks don't tell the whole story. Blake was forced to roll-out, scramble or hurry the pass on nearly every single pass attempt.
When you check out the Game Rewind you may be surprised how many clean (or relatively clean) pockets Bortles had.
Quote:What constitutes the 0-17 vs Linder & Joekel?
Based on the above, I'd have to say that we dominated JJ Watt. Freaking dude is probably back home in Houston dreading they day he has to see the Jags in 3 weeks.
This article disagrees with the box score:
http://hou.scout.com/story/1490136-j-j-w...core?s=116
Oops saw it was posted above, nm
Quote:Just because a play doesn't work doesn't mean it's a bad idea. (I know, I know, if Fisch called it, it must be bad - right? I assume you're texting Bradley daily with your suggestions.)
Sometimes you go to a rusher's side, to play off his aggressiveness. Sometimes it actually works.
I'm sorry - I interrupted. Please continue your Fisch bashing.
How much do the Jags pay you anyway?
Quote:When you check out the Game Rewind you may be surprised how many clean (or relatively clean) pockets Bortles had.
Agree with this. He may not have had Tom Brady pockets but he had time on more than one occasion and rushed himself likely thinking the pressure was coming. Other times he moved well in the pocket and created more time.
The only QBs who consistently get clean pockets are Brady and Brees and even then they understand you have to deal with muddy waters from time to time. Blake was pressured yes but thats a step up from constant sacks on whiffed blocks.
Calling a naked bootleg right at the best defensive player in the NFL is a bad call no matter how much sugar you pour on top.
That might work 1/15 times if you actually run that play 15 times in a game. Other than that you are risking a free shot on Blake from Watt.
Of the 15 times ran id gladly wager at least 6 end up in sacks, 4 end up incomplete with your QB getting lit anyways, 4 ints on rushed or hit throws and 1 you could probably fool him and get a decent gain depending on what else the D is doing.
Offensive coordinators are paid to avoid those types of odds.
Quote:When you check out the Game Rewind you may be surprised how many clean (or relatively clean) pockets Bortles had.
Quote:When you check out the Game Rewind you may be surprised how many clean (or relatively clean) pockets Bortles had.
I found this interesting so I scanned through the condensed version just watching offensive snaps. Here's my count:
Bortles - out of 39 attempts had a "clean-ish" pocket 8 times by my count.
3 of those were looking to throw intermediate or deep. (not a designed quick pass)
The other 5 were quick passes in which he was not hurried/pressured. That should be a higher number.
We know they weren't looking deep on the majority of the 31 remaining attempts - so we know that Bortles was frequently hurried or pressured on 3 step drop/ quick pass plays. More than 20 of them. That's not good. He did complete a few of these, and that bodes well, but this offense would be
much more productive with better pass pro.
There were many short pass attempts in which he was throwing off the back foot of the third step in his drop, or throwing awkwardly as he side-stepped pressure or throwing on the run trying to elude pressure. That stuff has to improve.
Quote:I found this interesting so I scanned through the condensed version just watching offensive snaps. Here's my count.
Bortles - out of 39 attempts had a "clean-ish" pocket 8 times by my count.
3 of those were looking throw intermediate or deep. (not a designed quick pass)
The other 5 were quick passes in which he was not hurried/pressured. That should be a higher number.
We know they weren't looking deep on the majority of the 31 remaining attempts - so we know that Bortles was frequently hurried or pressured on 3 step drop/ quick pass plays. More than 20 of them. That's not good. He did complete a few of these, and that bodes well, but this offense would be much more productive with better pass pro.
There were many short pass attempts in which he was throwing off the back foot of the third step in his drop, or throwing awkwardly as he side-stepped pressure or throwing on the run trying to elude pressure. That stuff has to improve.
thank you for the unbiased analysis
Bortles was dancing all game. He didn't have a clean pocket to work with; maybe a few times in the first half he did. 74 yards rushing, 4 sacks, and 9 qb hits is not what I would call playing well. I couldn't find hurries but I bet that was high too. Bortles rolled out one time and by the time he spun his head around Watt was in his grill.
If that was "playing well" I can't wait to see the excellence they put out next week against Baltimore. Gus Bradley is playing fans for fools saying this crap. Bet he spins this 2-11 into some positive gumbo some type of way. One more year of this for us.
I only watched the game 1x on TV and did not see a clean pocket. I define a clean pocket like the one Tony Romo has when he's just hanging out back there with 5 seconds to throw the ball. I saw a very narrow pocket that would have taken the Tom Brady precision to step up perfectly in the pocket. It seemed like BB had people coming from all angles throughout the game. I could be wrong and perhaps I just noticed the pressures more but that was my impression.