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Quote:Yeah, pay no attention to the last 2 seasons 1-9 starts under the Gus bus.

Oh you can pay attention. As long as you can see past the record. Next year, no one should have to.

Quote:I Agree with that. Especially Fisch. He's been a dud. Can't wait for him to be replaced. Just don't want to happen to BB as Gabbert. Too many coordinators.

HA! I almost put that in my post but I was like oops this is already too long....but yeah That is a fear I have is switching up the coordinators and screwing with the young guys But I mean...Fisch has not showed me almost ANYTHING to want to keep him around.

You really trust gus? 

 

Quote:Oh you can pay attention. As long as you can see past the record. Next year, no one should have to.

 

See past the record, huh?  See past the record and what you see on the field and just have faith it'll all work out?  I guess that's as good a reason as any that we are gonna have a great year in 2015.

 

But your wishfull thinking is not very enlightening to reasonable and rational fans....  

 

The "haters" are actually providing sound critiques of why we we stink, and some of those critiques don't get better by keeping the status quo.  Specifically on offense.  Of course, I could be wrong with my analysis, but at least I'm providing a basis for why I think the way I do.

 

But, whatever helps one stay positive, I guess is really all that matters.  Having faith that it will get better is just as good as thinking critically about what needs to happen to make things better in terms of coping with this horrible season.  Both are mechanisms for coping with the reality around you.

 

I just think it allows for better discussion of football if one at least tries to use some reasoning...  "It's gonna get better, I have no doubt" really is the end of any conversation.  Faith is boring and provides no room for debate, which is the antithesis of what I think a message board is all about.  

 

But then again, if you find comfort coming to the Jungle to show that you have faith things will turn around, without really thinking that an explanation is necessary, that's also your prerogative.  I don't know, I'd just like to know the reasoning why some thing that things will automatically get better....  Yes the D is getting better, but D's don't win games in today's NFL.  The offense has to score points consitently to win.  How does the offense magically get drastically better by 2015, in your opinion?  

Quote:HA! I almost put that in my post but I was like oops this is already too long....but yeah That is a fear I have is switching up the coordinators and screwing with the young guys But I mean...Fisch has not showed me almost ANYTHING to want to keep him around.

 

Here's the one thing that makes me think there is a slight hope for Fish...  The offense looks alot better when we go 2 minute.  If he can figure out how to have that sense of urgency within his normal game plan, he may have a shot.  But if he doesn't recognize that his approach to the NFL game is not correct, 2015 will look alot like 2014 in terms of our scoring success which in turn leads to another stinker of a season.  

 

Even if Caldwell fixes the O-line, a predictable offense still won't be successful when the D can anticipate exactly what is coming.

I agree, If Fisch can figure a way to make our attack not so predictable we might have a better shot. His play calling has been pretty poor. Our 2 Minute offense looks pretty good typically but how does he turn that into the whole game? can he do that?

 

Of course I do want caldwell to fix the O-Line and bring in a better TE and maybe a Vet WR when we lose Shorts and well other things...but I totally agree if our play calling is the same ol same... we are screwed.

 

Again my fear is all in Fisch at this point in time.

Quote:I agree, If Fisch can figure a way to make our attack not so predictable we might have a better shot. His play calling has been pretty poor. Our 2 Minute offense looks pretty good typically but how does he turn that into the whole game? can he do that?

 

Of course I do want caldwell to fix the O-Line and bring in a better TE and maybe a Vet WR when we lose Shorts and well other things...but I totally agree if our play calling is the same ol same... we are screwed.

 

Again my fear is all in Fisch at this point in time.

 

Yup, I'm with ya!  OK, gotta turn in.  Take it easy

Quote:Yeah, pay no attention to the last 2 seasons 1-9 starts under the Gus bus.

 

Actually, yes.  In the NFL, a complete rebuild means you need to give the coach a couple of mulligan seasons.  I think 5 years is reasonable to take an expansion team roster (which this was last year) to true Superbowl contender. You should still expect to start seeing progress in the second and third year and if you understand football and don't just look at the won/loss record, you'll see exactly that.  This defense right now is playing pretty well.  No mistake that there's still work to be done yet though.

Quote:Actually, yes.  In the NFL, a complete rebuild means you need to give the coach a couple of mulligan seasons.  I think 5 years is reasonable to take an expansion team roster (which this was last year) to true Superbowl contender. You should still expect to start seeing progress in the second and third year and if you understand football and don't just look at the won/loss record, you'll see exactly that.  This defense right now is playing pretty well.  No mistake that there's still work to be done yet though.

5 years?!!

 

If we start 1-10 again next year... You think he should stay?

Quote:5 years?!!

 

If we start 1-10 again next year... You think he should stay?

 

Yeah, 5 years to take an expansion team roster to a true Superbowl contender.  In the NFL, you just don't go from a completely gutted roster to winning a Superbowl in one or two years.  Teams that *seem* to make a quick turn around are usually pretty good to begin with but have maybe one or two glaring weaknesses that are holding them back (ala KC).

Quote:You really trust gus? 

 

 

 

If the fans "trust in Gus" or not literally means nothing.

Quote:Yeah, 5 years to take an expansion team roster to a true Superbowl contender.  In the NFL, you just don't go from a completely gutted roster to winning a Superbowl in one or two years.  Teams that *seem* to make a quick turn around are usually pretty good to begin with but have maybe one or two glaring weaknesses that are holding them back (ala KC).

Still... We start 1-10 next year and you would say "Gus needs to stay... what he's doing is working."

No I disagree most people would say after three years the GM & HC have more than enough time to show improvement (at least .500 )!

Quote:You really trust gus? 

 

I'll admit like most fans its been hard to watch these games this year, and at times I wondered if Gus was the right guy.  Then at times when I'm like if he doesnt go for it here, he's truly hopeless but the thing is he does go for it.  When he throws a bad challenge and we are all like why on earth did he do that.  You know what he admits he was wrong after the game, and said he's going to work on that.  I mean he's a young HC just learning his role but going into the 3rd year no excuses.

Quote:See past the record, huh?  See past the record and what you see on the field and just have faith it'll all work out?  I guess that's as good a reason as any that we are gonna have a great year in 2015.

 

But your wishfull thinking is not very enlightening to reasonable and rational fans....  

 

The "haters" are actually providing sound critiques of why we we stink, and some of those critiques don't get better by keeping the status quo.  Specifically on offense.  Of course, I could be wrong with my analysis, but at least I'm providing a basis for why I think the way I do.

 

But, whatever helps one stay positive, I guess is really all that matters.  Having faith that it will get better is just as good as thinking critically about what needs to happen to make things better in terms of coping with this horrible season.  Both are mechanisms for coping with the reality around you.

 

I just think it allows for better discussion of football if one at least tries to use some reasoning...  "It's gonna get better, I have no doubt" really is the end of any conversation.  Faith is boring and provides no room for debate, which is the antithesis of what I think a message board is all about.  

 

But then again, if you find comfort coming to the Jungle to show that you have faith things will turn around, without really thinking that an explanation is necessary, that's also your prerogative.  I don't know, I'd just like to know the reasoning why some thing that things will automatically get better....  Yes the D is getting better, but D's don't win games in today's NFL.  The offense has to score points consitently to win.  How does the offense magically get drastically better by 2015, in your opinion?

Umm...I don't know why people have to continually say this over and over, but, again, EXPERIENCE. The qb will be better next year because he will learn from his experience and grow from it. The offensive line of Bowanko, Joekel and Linder will take their experience from this season and learn from it. The wide receivers will look back on the season and use their experience to get better next year. That's your foundation. For the love of God. Add in a brand new spanking TE and bolster the o-line by adding competition there. Boom. What's so friggin' mystifying about that? Did you see me praying in front of altar? No, that's my basis. What's your basis for thinking you are rational one? The offense is struggling with a bunch of rookies, therefore #becausejaguars. Why don't you tell me why this offense won't be better next year? Players not plays, friend.

Quote:Still... We start 1-10 next year and you would say "Gus needs to stay... what he's doing is working."

 

No, I wouldn't be happy at all but I doubt that will happen in year 3.  I'm actually disappointed this year because I wanted to see a few more wins but I understand it's because Bradley and Caldwell decided to go so young.  Rookies tend to progress the most from year one to year two (or so the saying goes) so I expect our offense to step forward next year like the defense has done in the second half of this year.

At minimum, no fan should be willing to accept anything less than 8 wins next season.

Quote:His level of celebration was equivalent to when a team is down big late in a game and a D Linemen gets a sack and celebrates like he did something special.

 

Good for him getting a sack but his team is getting blown out, it's nothing special and he looks foolish.

 

Good for the Jags getting a win, the 2nd of the season, the 6th of GB's career in 28 total games as an NFL head coach.  It's all about perspective...some people see the bigger picture, some don't.

That's a spot on analogy. People on here hate when Branch dances when he gets a sack in a blowout but love Gus jumping around screaming in a blowout season. Hyprocrisy at its finest. I've never seen a fanbase more disinterested in wins and losses when truly that's the only thing that matters.

Quote:That's a spot on analogy. People on here hate when Branch dances when he gets a sack in a blowout but love Gus jumping around screaming in a blowout season. Hyprocrisy at its finest. I've never seen a fanbase more disinterested in wins and losses when truly that's the only thing that matters.

 

 

What the hell are you even trying to say? What does any of what you said have to do with "a fanbase more disinterested in wins and losses"?
 
You are trying way too hard..

Quote:That's a spot on analogy. People on here hate when Branch dances when he gets a sack in a blowout but love Gus jumping around screaming in a blowout season. Hyprocrisy at its finest. I've never seen a fanbase more disinterested in wins and losses when truly that's the only thing that matters.

 

 It just depends on perspective.  A sack in a losing game is not the same as a win in a losing season - especially if you broaden the frame to the rebuild and not just the season. 

 

Perspective A  - "Look at these clowns dancing around like idiots when they're 2 and 10!!"

 

Perspective B  - "Well they finally figured out how to generate a little offense with a bunch of rookies - maybe this is the start of something good."

 

It's about looking at the win as an important step to a bunch of the guys  in the locker room that needed to notch that in their belt and build on it. 

 

 

Listen to 1:30 to 4:50 in this interview with Marks.   It seems like celebrating a win was a good thing for this team to me. 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/cat.../pft-live/