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Quote:Maybe I'm missing something? How is not being able to change a running play neutering Bortles as a QB.

 

BB is a winner at heart.  He wants to win.  He was previously checking out of runs to pass.  Taking the game into his hands and actually doing pretty well.  Now, the coaches have him executing run plays that he is not allowed to change.  Fisch calls a running play against an 8-9 man box, BB may not be allowed to check to a pass.

 

Manning and all goood QBs win by being able to adjust to defenses at the line.  The coaches have at the least handcuffed BB.

Quote:He was previously checking out of runs to pass, which worked out well most of the time. Now, he has no choice but to execute certain running plays they call.


Read into what you want.

And as soon as they made the change, a once stagnant running game came alive. Maybe the coaches knew what they were doing after all?

Quote:Maybe I'm missing something? How is not being able to change a running play neutering Bortles as a QB.

 

I think you are.  He shouldn't be NOT allowed to change a run to a pass.  He had success with it, minus the INT returned for a TD.  Why cut him off from that?  Why take away that freedom?  To me they might as well straight tell him they don't think he knows what he's doing.

Quote:And as soon as they made the change, a once stagnant running game came alive. Maybe the coaches knew what they were doing after all?

 

Yes, I will definitely take an improved running game and the offense overall regressing over the development and improvement of my rookie QB.

 

Good for you!

Quote:I think you are.  He shouldn't be NOT allowed to change a run to a pass.  He had success with it, minus the INT returned for a TD.  Why cut him off from that?  Why take away that freedom?  To me they might as well straight tell him they don't think he knows what he's doing.

 

Exactly, I really believe that BB has taken it as a kick in the junk when they made it public that they were going to hold him back.  Makes no sense at all.

 

It's like taking away his man card.

Quote:Yes, I will definitely take an improved running game and the offense overall regressing over the development and improvement of my rookie QB.


Good for you!

You don't throw it 60 times a game and expect to win. You need some semblance of balance. Ask the Packers, Patriots, and Broncos. That's basic football knowledge.

Quote:The problem is all of their powers combined.


Bowanko: EARTH!

Joeckel: FIRE!

Pasztor: WIND!

Linder: WATER!

Beadles: HEART!


BY YOUR POWERS COMBINED, I AM TERRIBLE O-LINE!


BY having nobody truly good, you bring the whole unit down.  

so you're saying that this line is only as good as the weakest link in it. Then we must have a weak link indeed....

Quote:You don't throw it 60 times a game and expect to win. You need some semblance of balance. Ask the Packers, Patriots, and Broncos. That's basic football knowledge.

 

It doesn't even take basic football knowledge to see that what we are doing isn't working though.  No one is advocating throwing it 60 times, but when only 7 passes go past 5 yards....um that's why the offense is stagnant.  Defenses are keyed to the fact that we are either going to run it or throw it short.  Peyton Manning isn't going to win with an offensive game plan like that.

Quote:It doesn't even take basic football knowledge to see that what we are doing isn't working though. No one is advocating throwing it 60 times, but when only 7 passes go past 5 yards....um that's why the offense is stagnant. Defenses are keyed to the fact that we are either going to run it or throw it short. Peyton Manning isn't going to win with an offensive game plan like that.

I agree they need to open it up some. But we are having issues with protection now with teams blitzing left and right. Its hard to drop back and let the deep route develop when you're getting hit right after the ball is snapped. How do you combat the blitz?

Quote:You don't throw it 60 times a game and expect to win. You need some semblance of balance. Ask the Packers, Patriots, and Broncos. That's basic football knowledge.

 

I appreciate your overreaction...no one advocated throwing it 60 times a game.  If I did, feel free to quote me in your next post.

Quote:I agree they need to open it up some. But we are having issues with protection now with teams blitzing left and right. Its hard to drop back and let the deep route develop when you're getting hit right after the ball is snapped. How do you combat the blitz?

 

You combat the blitz by throwing it over the top.  You don't need that long to throw a 15+ yard route.

Quote:The problem is all of their powers combined.


Bowanko: EARTH!

Joeckel: FIRE!

Pasztor: WIND!

Linder: WATER!

Beadles: HEART!


BY YOUR POWERS COMBINED, I AM TERRIBLE O-LINE!


BY having nobody truly good, you bring the whole unit down.  

 

This is pretty darn funny!

Quote:This is pretty darn funny!

 

Someone needs to photoshop our O-line to this!

Quote:And as soon as they made the change, a once stagnant running game came alive. Maybe the coaches knew what they were doing after all?

Dance, knarn dance!!!

Quote:I agree they need to open it up some. But we are having issues with protection now with teams blitzing left and right. Its hard to drop back and let the deep route develop when you're getting hit right after the ball is snapped. How do you combat the blitz?

 

Throw to your 1on1 receivers, screen passes, hot routes, etc.

 

It's not rocket science.

Quote:I appreciate your overreaction...no one advocated throwing is 60 times a game.  If I did, feel free to quote me in your next post.

That guy has no concept of reality, defend the status quo at the expense of objectivity is the MO of some fans. That's fine and all, but it creates an situation where facts have no bearing.

Quote:You combat the blitz by throwing it over the top. You don't need that long to throw a 15+ yard route.

You need more than a second. Its a 3 step drop and the WR needs to beat the press at the line. You combat the blitz by running slants, screens, and draws. Lageman touched on it yesterday on Jags Monday that they tried to run a slugo route on Landry's blitz play. That ended up in a sack.


I would love for us to throw the ball around. But we need to clean up a lot of stuff before its going to be a realistic option.

Quote:That guy has no concept of reality, defend the status quo at the expense of objectivity is the MO of some fans. That's fine and all, but it creates an situation where facts have no bearing.

 

 I just wish I could be as positive as some.  I would compare them to someone getting kicked in the crotch and saying, "Thank you sir, may I have another?"

Quote:And as soon as they made the change, a once stagnant running game came alive. Maybe the coaches knew what they were doing after all?

I almost feel like you've stopped watching the jags after the Cincy game... Our running game has been pretty much shut down after that. The opposing teams have realized our only option is to run, and are forcing that issue, knowing that our OC is not going to adjust.

Quote:You need more than a second. Its a 3 step drop and the WR needs to beat the press at the line. You combat the blitz by running slants, screens, and draws. Lageman touched on it yesterday on Jags Monday that they tried to run a slugo route on Landry's blitz play. That ended up in a sack.


I would love for us to throw the ball around. But we need to clean up a lot of stuff before its going to be a realistic option.

 

Fisch is inept...

 

With the young offense, there should be some rookie bad plays and some flashes.  The flashes have been gone for weeks now.  That is on the Offensive Coordinator.