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Quote:So we'll be onto the 5th OC in 5 years after he bolts next year to take another HC job.

He would have to do an amazing job in 1 year to get HC consideration. I'd be fine with that

Quote:Will we still hear the best presnap call out in all of football?!?!?! GREEEEEEEEEEN 80!!!!!!!!!

Gotta love old dependable. The defense figures out the snap count in no time.

Quote:Oh sweetie, you sniped me after a comment I made to someone else.  If you'd like to discuss anything, lets.  Only if you'd care to start talking substance instead of complaining about how your feelings were hurt because you didn't like Coughlin's return decisions described as a kind of "reunion."  Don't feign ignorance.  You've been stalking me ever since I said that, bringing it up in a thread where I didn't even say it.  So, get over yourself, cupcake.  If you can.

 

The reunion tour comment you made was just the obvious culmination of your trolling. If you consider stalking as maybe 1% of all my posts towards you, as a demonstration of how little you actually bring to the forum and the other 99% with substance that you seem to miss, like most things, then yes, you nailed it. 

Lots of different takes on this....one thing for sure, if it happens,...

this is going to be a vastly different team when it hits the field in 2017.  :thumbsup:

Quote:My grandmother could have gotten a sack on that busted block.

 

 

Quote:Well, Clowney is a great player, so chances are we'll see him sack a Jaguars QB again at some point.

 

Pretty sure KYJaggy is talking about the use of the read option there.

Quote:Hopefully we don't see any posters in the Jaguars forum who gave us their word they wouldn't be posting here.... Because after all, integrity is sometimes all we have.

Someone call the burn unit.

Quote:Lots of different takes on this....one thing for sure, if it happens,...

this is going to be a vastly different team when it hits the field in 2017.  :thumbsup:

 

 

Yes...quite interesting.

 

Usually, it's the QB that's the polarizing figure on a team, not the OC.

 

If Kelly is hired, there will be a ton of debate over him until he succeeds/gets fired.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/co...ellCh0.htm


Had nothing but garbage at QB and still had top 15 offense. The biggest issue with him is his personality.


There are tons of coaches that are bad head coaches but great coordinators.

My issue would be the player side and why in personnel, he was so weird. That said, I think his ability to just call plays and teach the guys he has might be a good role.

Don't let him out of the building without a deal.

Chip is a good offensive coordinator. I do worry about pacing tho. Still, he ought to make Blake look real good.

Quote:You're right, I'm totally trolling because I'm defending an organization that just made wholesale changes until we see what happens. Instead of giving them the benefit of the doubt and seeing what happens with what they do before judging, I should instead criticize and be harsh on each and every move they make before knowing if they are the right move or not.

 

As for moving on instead of continuing conversation/arguments for why I feel one way, I think you need to take a look at what a message board and forum are for. Considering you are a moderator, I would think you would know this first hand.

 

But okay...I guess I'll continue with my butterflies and rainbow remarks. *sigh*

 

Just curious, has there been any decision at all since the Gus firing that's sparked your imagination?

 

I get that it's exciting.  Like opening presents on Christmas day... not knowing what you might get.

 

But have there been any decisions or rumors that made you stop and think?  Hmm... wonder what they were thinking here?  What's the connection there?

 

Any questions raised at all?

 

If not - why?  If we're not asking questions, we're not being curious fans.

 

Interesting... no one has asked you to be harsh and criticize every move... yet you imply that's what I'm doing here, which does explain your reaction to me.

 

Through discussion with others on the board, do you have any opinion or opinions about any of the changes that have influenced you to stop and take pause, and change your opinion?  I certainly have, and I'm certainly not too proud to admit it.

 

In this instance, the entire record of Chip Kelly at the NFL level is one big red flag.  We can spin it or chalk it up to being the fault of Chip the GM, or Chip the HC... and maybe somehow Chip the OC would be different.  But unfortunately his overall record speaks for itself.  The bad certainly outweighs the good from my perspective, yet I haven't found anything yet to move that needle.  I think it's more than fair to question whether or not Chip is better suited for college, which I'd wager most football fans would agree at this point.

 

To me that's asking a bit more than "wait and see," when signs seem to show caution ahead.  That's being overly generous, which... is opposite but equal to being overly negative.  You may not want to believe it, but it is possible to be cautious and not own a pitchfork.  Overly generous is just as bad as overly negative.

Too much optimism these last few posts guys. I don't think Pirkster would like it.

 

Kidding aside, I'm sort of surprised we haven't heard anything tbh. Hope we get something done tonight.

Quote:Great! Can't wait to see what he does with all pros Ivory and Yeldon.

So is your issue with Kelly or is it our running backs? I can't tell anymore.

Quote:Just curious, has there been any decision at all since the Gus firing that's sparked your imagination?

 

I get that it's exciting.  Like opening presents on Christmas day... not knowing what you might get.

 

But have there been any decisions or rumors that made you stop and think?  Hmm... wonder what they were thinking here?  What's the connection there?

 

Any questions raised at all?

 

If not - why?  If we're not asking questions, we're not being curious fans.

 

Interesting... no one has asked you to be harsh and criticize every move... yet you imply that's what I'm doing here, which does explain your reaction to me.

 

Through discussion with others on the board, do you have any opinion or opinions about any of the changes that have influenced you to stop and take pause, and change your opinion?  I certainly have, and I'm certainly not too proud to admit it.

 

In this instance, the entire record of Chip Kelly at the NFL level is one big red flag.  We can spin it or chalk it up to being the fault of Chip the GM, or Chip the HC... and maybe somehow Chip the OC would be different.  But unfortunately his overall record speaks for itself.  The bad certainly outweighs the good from my perspective, yet I haven't found anything yet to move that needle.  I think it's more than fair to question whether or not Chip is better suited for college, which I'd wager most football fans would agree at this point.

 

To me that's asking a bit more than "wait and see," when signs seem to show caution ahead.  That's being overly generous, which... is opposite but equal to being overly negative.  You may not want to believe it, but it is possible to be cautious and not own a pitchfork.  Overly generous is just as bad as overly negative.

Again, why question things until they deserve to be questions?

 

I clearly stated my top candidates were Shanny and Mike Smith for HC. I said McDaniels I'd like due to offensive mind, and Marrone was my 4th guy and I'd prefer to go outside of the organization for a HC hire. Once Marron was hired, I was a little skeptical at first but decided he's our HC for the next couple years regardless of what I say. I look at his past OC/HC jobs where he's had large roles and he's either turned a team around or had very solid success quickly. He was an offensive mind, brought experience, and is hard nosed which is something we needed at HC so I bought in. 

 

Again, I'm not someone that is going to complain/be down about moves until they show they should be. If this season things look much of the same/are clearly not working than I'll get skeptical and call them out for it. Until then, what's the point? If you and others want to get skeptical/not like the hires right away cool. That's not how I am. Doesn't mean I think things will work out, but I'm not going to get all up in arms/worried about things until there is a reason to be.

In terms of his personality, etc., I'd say two things:

 

1.  The guy seems like a natural introvert.  In other words, he's not going to be the life of the party, social butterfly, everybody's buddy type.  I don't see that as a problem.

2.  When it comes to the old accusations from Philly about him being racist, I consider the sources (mainly Desean Jackson and Shady McCoy).  Those guys are loud, opinionated, and seem to defy attempts at discipline.  They are prima donnas.  Both are great talents.  But they aren't guys you build championship teams with because of their "me first" attitudes.  So their insinuations about Kelly are BS as far as I'm concerned.  Anyone who has that TO type attitude is better suited for individual sports rather than a team game.

 

Having said that, I'm skeptical about Kelly's offense both in terms of its effectiveness and of how it wears down one's own defense.

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Coughlin offered Kelly a quality control position in 2006 in which Kelly declined. That's about it. I saw nothing of them being buddies or best of friends.

Wow does it matter if their friends or not? Didn't think that was one of the obligations to get hired. Anyway Tom is interested in Kelly because of the way his eagles handled his giants.

Quote:Again, why question things until they deserve to be questions?

 

I clearly stated my top candidates were Shanny and Mike Smith for HC. I said McDaniels I'd like due to offensive mind, and Marrone was my 4th guy and I'd prefer to go outside of the organization for a HC hire. Once Marron was hired, I was a little skeptical at first but decided he's our HC for the next couple years regardless of what I say. I look at his past OC/HC jobs where he's had large roles and he's either turned a team around or had very solid success quickly. He was an offensive mind, brought experience, and is hard nosed which is something we needed at HC so I bought in. 

 

Again, I'm not someone that is going to complain/be down about moves until they show they should be. If this season things look much of the same/are clearly not working than I'll get skeptical and call them out for it. Until then, what's the point? If you and others want to get skeptical/not like the hires right away cool. That's not how I am. Doesn't mean I think things will work out, but I'm not going to get all up in arms/worried about things until there is a reason to be.

 

You had this same feeling when Gene was promoted?

 

Because at the time, there wasn't much negative to see in his promotion.  He was a good scout with a good scouting resume and the only thing he lacked was experience, since it was his step up the ladder to GM.

 

Questioning something isn't "complaining" or "being down," it's having a warranted concern based on track record.

 

There's more to question about Chip as OC, then there was about Gene at GM.  And look how that turned out.

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Guess today's Chip Kelly interview is finished up-- on my dad's flight out of JIA right now ... good eyes, Daddy Lang

Quote:You had this same feeling when Gene was promoted?

 

Because at the time, there wasn't much negative to see in his promotion.  He was a good scout with a good scouting resume and the only thing he lacked was experience, since it was his step up the ladder to GM.

 

Questioning something isn't "complaining" or "being down," it's having a warranted concern based on track record.

 

There's more to question about Chip as OC, then there was about Gene at GM.  And look how that turned out.

I did have the same feeling when Gene was promoted. Than after we started to see what he was doing as GM, I became annoyed/skeptical and ready for change.

 

Chip Kelly failed as the guy in PHI, but that wasn't due to what he did offensively. That was due to him having total control (much like McDaniels, who a lot of people were clamoring for) and dismantling the team by trading talented players that were a big part of their early success (10-6 year one). He will be an OC here. He isn't the GM, he isn't the HC, his one and only priority will be offense and making it the best he can. Whether that works or not, who knows? But there's no doubting he does have quite the offensive mind and that Blake Bortles fits into an offense that goes quick.

 

I have no problem being skeptical, but people here his name and because he got fired as HC he can't be a good OC? If you have questions fine, but considering his track record of having potent offenses in the NFL along with a top 4 rushing offense in a system with very little talent across the board and poor QB play in SF it surprises me that people act like his offenses don't work.


I think he needs to reel it back a bit and have said so in this thread. He can't go quite as fast or it wears down his defense. Luckily, he isnt HC and Marrone and Coughlin can talk to him about that if they think it'll be a problem.

 

One guy was a scout and had no previous experience running a team. The other has a wealth of experience running an offense whether that be at Oregon or in PHI/SF and had some success. So I don't really see them as great comparisons but I get your point.