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did Tennessee cover it up?

it's really not difficult to NOT get accused of rape... I agree with Tennessee's approach.  Given the severity of the allegations, you can't risk playing those players if they possibly did something like this. 

I don't feel like taking the time to go through all of it again, so let me sum up from the Treon Harris thread.

 

Me - "So, I can accuse badger of something and he'd support his own suspension from work?"

 

badger - "Not the same, no evidence"

 

Me - "You haven't seen any evidence"

 

badger - "There's enough to warrant an investigation . . . blah blah blah TPD coverup"

 

Me - "Enough to warrant an investigation is really low standard."

 

badger - "Have to find out what happened before letting the player play . . . blah blah blah TPD incompetence"

 

badger - "its now being reported the evidence against Treon is 'shaky at best'"

 

banatha - "How about innocent until proven guilty? Shouldn't we wait at least until they charge him with something before starting punishment?"

 

Me - "Nope, enough to warrant an investigation is the new standard to start punishment. I was shocked too."

 

Now let's all go drink some coffee or cocoa because it's cold out there. I hope you appreciate the time I've saved you.

Quote:I'd have to think there has to be some evidence for an arrest to be made. An allegation alone is enough?

Seems like a good way screw someone over...

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I was hoping it would be you racing to this thread with the response bch gave. 

Quote:No it shows they are doing their job and taking the necessary steps.

FSU, cares more about football and money now. They are hoping to see a nice "contribution" from Winston in the future.

 

Being they have more evidence helps their cause. 

people seem to think being suspended from a football game is like being put in jail.

Losing 1 or more of the 50 or so chances you have to play college ball is a punishment. It's not as severe as some others, but I don't see how that's debatable.

Quote:I'd have to think there has to be some evidence for an arrest to be made. An allegation alone is enough?

 

yeah ive actually seen it happen to a few of my friends. ive seen a trespassing charge from an ex gf, claimed my friend came in through the sliding glass door and stole her laptop. he was with me in florida..... the cops called and said he had to fly back and turn himself in. that was the most ridiculous one ive seen.  

Quote:Losing 1 or more of the 50 or so chances you have to play college ball is a punishment. It's not as severe as some others, but I don't see how that's debatable.

 

again, part of the problem is that fans take football too seriously.  this is a game, and if football is the career choice of any particular student, then being unrightly suspended for a few games is not going to hurt their career in the long run if they are actually good.  pro days and the combine exist.   plus undrafted FAs will all get their shot to prove their worth in the NFL.  nobody falls through the cracks because they missed a couple games in college.  fans tend to overreact.

I'm not talking about the NFL. At FAMU or JU being suspended for games is a punishment. As someone who can no longer play basketball or baseball on a regular basis (or barely at all), having games taken away from my all too brief playing career is a punishment. It was something I loved. Something I miss. And if they were taken away because I was accused of something I didn't do, that's wrong.

 

Not ruin-my-life wrong or ranking on the all-time-injustice list, but wrong.

Quote:I'm not talking about the NFL. At FAMU or JU being suspended for games is a punishment. As someone who can no longer play basketball or baseball on a regular basis (or barely at all), having games taken away from my all too brief playing career is a punishment. It was something I loved. Something I miss. And if they were taken away because I was accused of something I didn't do, that's wrong.

 

Not ruin-my-life wrong or ranking on the all-time-injustice list, but wrong.

 

when dealing with something as serious as rape, I don't care if its considered punishment.  it's the right thing to do, and the majority opinion agrees.  others disagree.  that's fine.  FSU has a right to handle it how they want, and they are reaping the consequences of their actions right now.

 

Quote:when dealing with something as serious as rape, I don't care if its considered punishment.  it's the right thing to do, and the majority opinion agrees.  others disagree.  that's fine.  FSU has a right to handle it how they want, and they are reaping the consequences of their actions right now.

 

 

So what happens if this turns into another false allegation, and the investigation goes on until after the season, then what do you tell the kid? "Oh hey, we're sorry"?

 

It's wrong to suspend someone from team activities who has not been formally charged with any crime. He's still, technically, an innocent man. But then again, times have changed now. Now it's guilty until proven innocent.

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and they are reaping the consequences of their actions right now.

 

Indeed they are: https://floridastate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1701327

Quote:So what happens if this turns into another false allegation, and the investigation goes on until after the season, then what do you tell the kid? "Oh hey, we're sorry"?


It's wrong to suspend someone from team activities who has not been formally charged with any crime. He's still, technically, an innocent man. But then again, times have changed now. Now it's guilty until proven innocent.

That is strange, I wonder why the NFL didn't follow your advice this year. Peterson, Hardy, are both two people who weren't allowed to play during their investigations.

Quote:So what happens if this turns into another false allegation, and the investigation goes on until after the season, then what do you tell the kid? "Oh hey, we're sorry"?

 

It's wrong to suspend someone from team activities who has not been formally charged with any crime. He's still, technically, an innocent man. But then again, times have changed now. Now it's guilty until proven innocent.

 

youre weighing the pros and cons. you suspend them an investigation occurs, they wind up being innocent, they miss a game and it kinda stinks for the players.

 

if theyre guilty then no backlash.

 

on the flip side, you dont suspend them, an investigation occurs, theyre guilty, and then the backlash from not suspending 2 rapists just to give your team a better chance to win? it will be extreme and a big black mark on the program. shows no morals.

 

there is more to life than football.

But the backlash is on the franchise. So suspending while the investigation is ongoing is putting the franchise/school/league ahead of the player. It's CYA syndrome at its finest. "We can't risk looking bad so lets do something to this guy even though we don't know whether he deserves it or not."

 

The only argument I can see for preemptive suspensions is that somehow the guy going about his life while the investigation goes on hurts the victim. I'm sure it hurts the victim if the guy is never held accountable for deeds he has done, but I have yet to see either of these quotes from victims or lawyers once all is settled:

 

"I know he was charged, suspended, and then put on trial - but it really upsets me that he played those games while they investigated."

 

Or conversely

 

"I know he was never charged, but at least they suspended him for those games to ease my peace of mind."

Quote:So what happens if this turns into another false allegation, and the investigation goes on until after the season, then what do you tell the kid? "Oh hey, we're sorry"?

 

It's wrong to suspend someone from team activities who has not been formally charged with any crime. He's still, technically, an innocent man. But then again, times have changed now. Now it's guilty until proven innocent.

 

it's better to play it safe rather than letting guys play and them end up being guilty

 

if it turns out to be a bogus claim, you tell them, "be careful who you sleep with next time.  we recommend no gang banging or one night stands with a random girl."


 

Quote:But the backlash is on the franchise. So suspending while the investigation is ongoing is putting the franchise/school/league ahead of the player. It's CYA syndrome at its finest. "We can't risk looking bad so lets do something to this guy even though we don't know whether he deserves it or not."

 

The only argument I can see for preemptive suspensions is that somehow the guy going about his life while the investigation goes on hurts the victim. I'm sure it hurts the victim if the guy is never held accountable for deeds he has done, but I have yet to see either of these quotes from victims or lawyers once all is settled:

 

"I know he was charged, suspended, and then put on trial - but it really upsets me that he played those games while they investigated."

 

Or conversely

 

"I know he was never charged, but at least they suspended him for those games to ease my peace of mind."

 

it's a few games at most.  you're really overreacting

 

Oh badger, you make me chuckle.

 

Overreacting now equals a few posts and presenting a case.

 

I think you meant I'm overstating. One means continuing the discussion is an inappropriate response to . . . the discussion?

 

The other means that I'm exaggerating the consequences and/or importance of the issue for the parties involved.