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Quote:it's a few games at most.  you're really overreacting

 

 

Tell that to the Duke Lacrosse players.

And the consequences of punishing an innocent person goes far beyond the punishment itself. Those Duke lacrosse program and those players all carry a stigma now. I asked my girlfriend what she new about the Duke lacrosse case and she said "Didn't they get in trouble for rape? I think they got in trouble because they were hazing and sodomizing players". These innocent people now carry that stigma for the rest of their lives because they were wrongly suspended based on false allegations.

Quote:Sorry, I had no agenda. 

 

I love how you and Trav seem to think I can't separate football and reality. You guys should continue to act like you know me though. It's pretty funny.

 

You can do it, but you talk to every other person here like they cant.  Typical.

Quote:And the consequences of punishing an innocent person goes far beyond the punishment itself. Those Duke lacrosse program and those players all carry a stigma now. I asked my girlfriend what she new about the Duke lacrosse case and she said "Didn't they get in trouble for rape? I think they got in trouble because they were hazing and sodomizing players". These innocent people now carry that stigma for the rest of their lives because they were wrongly suspended based on false allegations.

 

Your example doesn't really make sense here....but I get your point.

 

Fyi, there have been many people accused of crimes that do not carry that stigma for the rest of their lives....in fact, many become amazing human beings that a lot of people look up to.

Quote:Your example doesn't really make sense here....but I get your point.

 

Fyi, there have been many people accused of crimes that do not carry that stigma for the rest of their lives....in fact, many become amazing human beings that a lot of people look up to.

 

Yes, and good for them. I don't feel like that excuses the people who do have to live with being wrongfully shamed for the rest of their lives, though.

 

And I do think the example makes sense. The Duke players were suspended, expelled (I believe), and had the 2006 season cancelled. Those players were punished because a stripper with a history of false accusations, who was loaded with illegal drugs, accused players of rape. Using badger's logic, the players were rightfully punished. I disagree.

Quote:Yes, and good for them. I don't feel like that excuses the people who do have to live with being wrongfully shamed for the rest of their lives, though.


And I do think the example makes sense. The Duke players were suspended, expelled (I believe), and had the 2006 season cancelled. Those players were punished because a stripper with a history of false accusations, who was loaded with illegal drugs, accused players of rape. Using badger's logic, the players were rightfully punished. I disagree.

Yep.

Quote:Yes, and good for them. I don't feel like that excuses the people who do have to live with being wrongfully shamed for the rest of their lives, though.

 

And I do think the example makes sense. The Duke players were suspended, expelled (I believe), and had the 2006 season cancelled. Those players were punished because a stripper with a history of false accusations, who was loaded with illegal drugs, accused players of rape. Using badger's logic, the players were rightfully punished. I disagree.

 

This doesn't just happen in sports though....its happens in entertainment, the work place, and many other community settings.  People/institutions have to cover themselves now.

 

My example....Bill Cosby has been accused by 6 women (last I heard) of doing bad things.  NBC and Netflix have stopped their projects with him because they don't want to tarnish their brand.  Can you blame them?

 

Edit:  I get your point and agree with it to a large extent...its just the way it is now.  The Ray Rice thing has pretty much changed everything.

Quote:You can do it, but you talk to every other person here like they cant.  Typical.

 

Please enlighten me.

Quote:This doesn't just happen in sports though....its happens in entertainment, the work place, and many other community settings. People/institutions have to cover themselves now.


My example....Bill Cosby has been accused by 6 women (last I heard) of doing bad things. NBC and Netflix have stopped their projects with him because they don't want to tarnish their brand. Can you blame them?


Edit: I get your point and agree with it to a large extent...its just the way it is now. The Ray Rice thing has pretty much changed everything.

And this is the other side of the argument which is why there is no easy answer.

I have less of a problem with NBC and Netflix because they're private corporations and they can do business with whoever they want for all I care. I do have an issue with the ease that corporations are bullied by politically driven movements, but that's for another forum.

 

Universities (particularly public universities) exist to nurture and improve the lives of their students through education and other areas. They should be putting their students' well-being and reputations ahead of those of the institution.

Quote:I have less of a problem with NBC and Netflix because they're private corporations and they can do business with whoever they want for all I care. I do have an issue with the ease that corporations are bullied by politically driven movements, but that's for another forum.


Universities (particularly public universities) exist to nurture and improve the lives of their students through education and other areas. They should be putting their students' well-being and reputations ahead of those of the institution.

Another good point.

Quote:I have less of a problem with NBC and Netflix because they're private corporations and they can do business with whoever they want for all I care. I do have an issue with the ease that corporations are bullied by politically driven movements, but that's for another forum.


Universities (particularly public universities) exist to nurture and improve the lives of their students through education and other areas. They should be putting their students' well-being and reputations ahead of those of the institution.

When does nurturing 1 or 2 students in spite of the well being of the university, which has thousands of others to nuture, take precedent?


Its called the greater good.

Quote:Tell that to the Duke Lacrosse players.

Pointed this out before. That is a huge exception to the rule. Big outlier.

Quote:Pointed this out before. That is a huge exception to the rule. Big outlier.

 

Treon is another example and that was recent.

Quote:Treon is another example and that was recent.

It was handled much, much differently (better) then the Duke Lacrosse case. It was also handled differently because of the day and age in which we live now.

Quote:And the consequences of punishing an innocent person goes far beyond the punishment itself. Those Duke lacrosse program and those players all carry a stigma now. I asked my girlfriend what she new about the Duke lacrosse case and she said "Didn't they get in trouble for rape? I think they got in trouble because they were hazing and sodomizing players". These innocent people now carry that stigma for the rest of their lives because they were wrongly suspended based on false allegations.

 

Name the FSU players that did this without looking up their names.  I cant remember.  I'm sure most people cant.  There will be no stigma with their names if they are found innocent of wrong doing.  

Quote:Name the FSU players that did this without looking up their names.  I cant remember.  I'm sure most people cant.  There will be no stigma with their names if they are found innocent of wrong doing.  

 

I can't name the Duke players that were involved with the false-rape accusations either, that doesn't mean their suspensions and expulsions didn't have incredibly negative effects on their lives.

Quote:And it wouldn't if you weren't suspended?

 

If Treon makes it to the NFL, it will come up during the draft (the allegations), and thereafter every time he slips up. 

 

In today's media cycle nothing is old news. 

Quote:It's funny...if Jameis played at UF instead of FSU, your stance would be the exact opposite.

 

So if UF was in the same predicament with Winston and the winning, etc they would actually suspend Winston, without him being charged?

Quote:It was handled much, much differently (better) then the Duke Lacrosse case. It was also handled differently because of the day and age in which we live now.

But it is an example of someone being punished for doing nothing wrong.