Quote:I'd certainly take Evans or Watkins and Bridgewater or Carr over Bortles and Lee at this point. At this point next year, I'd love for that statement to sound really stupid.
If you can carr, bridgewater or bortles who would you take? Damn the other receivers because at this age of the NFL they're a dime of dozen.
If I can get only Carr, Bridgewater or Bortles I would take Bortles 100 out of 100 times, maybe I'll be proven wrong over the years or you could say I have teal colored glasses... but by simply watching preseason of those players it was obivious to me that Blake was the best QB out of the 3.... hopefully Fisch doesnt ruin that..
Quote:If you can carr, bridgewater or bortles who would you take? Damn the other receivers because at this age of the NFL they're a dime of dozen.
I'd take Bortles. That being said, I think that the pick invested and who else you could have added should be a factor. At this point I'd have to say that Bridgewater at 32 and Carr at 36 were better picks than Bortles at 3. I would of course love for this to change.
Quote:I'd take Bortles. That being said, I think that the pick invested and who else you could have added should be a factor. At this point I'd have to say that Bridgewater at 32 and Carr at 36 were better picks than Bortles at 3. I would of course love for this to change.
Well, i'll say that i disagree with you because at the end of the day you need the best value with the draft pick for the long term benefit of the franchise. Let me ask you the question this way would you rather have as a talent justin blackmon with blaine gabbert if so that would've been the case if we have gotten sammy walkins with derek carr as the qb throwing to him. IMO, derek is more like blaine gabbert than even jay cutler base on the many games i have watched him play this year. He's not a playmaker and plays the game very safe to the detriment to his team. It's probably the main reason why they're 0-10 because the raider's defense is very good and they have a couple quality receivers in James Jones among many others on the raider's roster. He averages 5.4 ypa in a season and let me tell you it would've hurt sammy's development if we had the same situation here with derek carr on this team. The only thing people sees that his td to int ratio is higher so the average person think he's having a good season but sadly, his stats don't tell everyone the whole story especially if people watch his games. Remember, blaine gabbert in his rookie season had 12 td's and 9 int's in his rookie season as well and we as a fanbase has seen how that turned out in the long run.
See, what makes me fall in love with blake bortles talent as our qb is he makes plays in every single game even though he has the least amount of talent and experience on the offense side of the ball in the league. People just see the interceptions with the 4 pick sixes this seasons and want to be shell shocked because of it. How i see it is that his flaws can be corrected with hard work in the off-season in which i don't have any doubt in my mind he's going to improve on those things. This is all you need to know about blake bortles and that people complain about him at times being inaccurate but his completion % is 64 and he's rarely throws check downs to the running backs so let let us know as a fan base that his upside is limitless.
In the case of teddy bridgewater all i'm going to say is this out of all the rookie qb's he and mettenberger were both deemed NFL ready out of college and have the most offensive talent rosters at their disposal. In addition, they both have offensive coaches off their staffs respectfully that are regarded as qb guru's but in teddys case he doesn't even stand out so that's all i need to know when a person like me making my judgement on him as a long term prospect as an NFL QB.
Quote:Well, i'll say that i disagree with you because at the end of the day you need the best value with the draft pick for the long term benefit of the franchise. Let me ask you the question this way would you rather have as a talent justin blackmon with blaine gabbert if so that would've been the case if we have gotten sammy walkins with derek carr as the qb throwing to him. IMO, derek is more like blaine gabbert than even jay cutler base on the many games i have watched him play this year. He's not a playmaker and plays the game very safe to the detriment to his team. It's probably the main reason why they're 0-10 because the raider's defense is very good and they have a couple quality receivers in James Jones among many others on the raider's roster. He averages 5.4 ypa in a season and let me tell you it would've hurt sammy's development if we had the same situation here with derek carr on this team. The only thing people sees that his td to int ratio is higher so the average person think he's having a good season but sadly, his stats don't tell everyone the whole story especially if people watch his games. Remember, blaine gabbert in his rookie season had 12 td's and 9 int's in his rookie season as well and we as a fanbase has seen how that turned out in the long run.
See, what makes me fall in love with blake bortles talent as our qb is he makes plays in every single game even though he has the least amount of talent and experience on the offense side of the ball in the league. People just see the interceptions with the 4 pick sixes this seasons and want to be shell shocked because of it. How i see it is that his flaws can be corrected with hard work in the off-season in which i don't have any doubt in my mind he's going to improve on those things. This is all you need to know about blake bortles and that people complain about him at times being inaccurate but his completion % is 64 and he's rarely throws check downs to the running backs so let let us know as a fan base that his upside is limitless.
In the case of teddy bridgewater all i'm going to say is this out of all the rookie qb's he and mettenberger were both deemed NFL ready out of college and have the most offensive talent rosters at their disposal. In addition, they both have offensive coaches off their staffs respectfully that are regarded as qb guru's but in teddys case he doesn't even stand out so that's all i need to know when a person like me making my judgement on him as a long term prospect as an NFL QB.
Disagree with one point. The raiders have the least amount of talent on offense. Denard is better than any RB they have and Arob and Cecil are better than who they got.
Also.. Carr is nothing like Blaine.
Quote:Based solely on their performance so far, I'd take Sammy Watkins, Khalil Mack, Jake Matthews, Mike Evans, Kelvin Benjamin, Brandon Crooks, John Brown, Kyle Fuller, C.J. Mosley, Anthony Barr, Zack Martin, Aaron Donald, Derek Carr, Teddy Bridgewater, and O'Dell Beckham, Jr., over Bortles.
Based soley on their perfomances with their current teams.
There is no guarantee that any of these players would have played at their current levels with our team.
Especially these WRs with a Chad Henne at QB.
And the QBs on this team may not have performed well, however you're a little off to think Carr or Bridgewater would have been good selections at 3 overall.
Neither has really looked that much better than Bortles. Carr has more starts and slightly better stats. Bridgewater has been "meh"
Bridgewater and Carr haven't done a thing.
Still don't get the Mack hype.
The receivers in this class are playing good.
I'll take Bortles over all of em.
Pretty overwhelming yes to no votes. Seems like a lot of people believe in BB.
Guys Bridgewater really isn't doing that well. Carr is looking composed but he's not converting 3rd downs and that offense is really sputtering. You guys are forgetting that most rookie quarterbacks struggle and the grass isn't necessarily greener somewhere else.
Quote:Guys Bridgewater really isn't doing that well. Carr is looking composed but he's not converting 3rd downs and that offense is really sputtering. You guys are forgetting that most rookie quarterbacks struggle and the grass isn't necessarily greener somewhere else.
Agreed. Bortles is struggling, but that's to be expected for a rookie. Still, he's gaining all that valuable experience the "Start him now!" crowd was hoping he would, and that development will pay dividends in the future...hopefully. The team wasn't expected to be even remotely good this year, so this is the perfect time to let Blake and the rest of the youngsters on the roster take their lumps and grow as players.
Quote:Guys Bridgewater really isn't doing that well. Carr is looking composed but he's not converting 3rd downs and that offense is really sputtering. You guys are forgetting that most rookie quarterbacks struggle and the grass isn't necessarily greener somewhere else.
Yep, I've had a chance to watch Bridgewater (I live in Minneapolis) and Derek Carr (I usually start whatever defense is playing against Oak in fantasy) quite a bit, neither guy is impressive. Bridgewater can't drive the ball downfield with any velocity and Carr panics in the face of pressure. Blake (by far) is the superior prospect because of his physical ability and poise in the pocket, when the game slows down for him watch out. I have no doubts that Blake is the guy, there's a reason why every Jaguar coach and scout unanimously had him rated as the #1 QB in the 2014 draft, I can't believe this is even a discussion this early on.
Quote:Pretty overwhelming yes to no votes. Seems like a lot of people believe in BB.
And that's what I wanted to find out when I asked the question.
I thought it was probably going to be that way, but I just wanted to see if it really was.
Thanks to all who weighed in with who they would have drafted, QB wise only, after seeing each QB play up to this point in the season.
The Jags HAD to draft a QB in the last draft.
That was as certain as death and taxes.
Quote:And that's what I wanted to find out when I asked the question.
I thought it was probably going to be that way, but I just wanted to see if it really was.
I think there is a lot more hope than belief there, but we've all seen enough, I think, to have some belief.
Once he's done something we'll have belief and won't need the hope anymore.
Bortles deserves 3 years to show he's the guy. There are things he can fix, but his intangibles are intriguing. If anyone on the roster deserves patience, it's bortles
Some idiot in here who was in love with a washed up Mike Sims Walker back in the day was telling me Khalil Mack was nothing midseason. Dude is everywhere on the field in this game. I'm not gonna pull the "you must don't know nothing about football" card like a lot do on here but quit being a stat sissy all your life.
I just hope that we're able to get BB5 some more weapons and stability on the O-line. I think the O-line can at least be average next year, and average is a huge upgrade over anything we've fielded the last several years.
Lee, ARob, Hurns, Blackmon and a good veteran WR in FA - someone that can stay healthy - will be a solid group.
The TE position definitely needs to be upgraded.
DRob is good in a limited role, but we need a power back to complement him. Too bad Gerhart has failed at that role.
Quote:Some idiot in here who was in love with a washed up Mike Sims Walker back in the day was telling me Khalil Mack was nothing midseason. Dude is everywhere on the field in this game. I'm not gonna pull the "you must don't know nothing about football" card like a lot do on here but quit being a stat sissy all your life.
Talk English jerk and stop acting like a 12 year old punk whose's having a roid rage. lol.
Why do people keep leaving Shorts out of the conversation when we talk about receivers? He's not the WR1 that we've been trying to use him as but he's still good especially after the catch, and fairly reliable.
Quote:DRob is good in a limited role, but we need a power back to complement him. Too bad Gerhart has failed at that role.
Why just a limited role? He's only shown me that he can handle the 20 carries.
I would be pretty excited if we drafted Gurney but outside of a talent like that I think we're fine giving DRob 20 carries and Gerhart like 6 or 7 (and we should probably take a corner, safety, tackle, or tight end instead the first round anyway, depending on which position has the most top-heavy talent)