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I think right now, basically, our 4th overall pick will come down to the two safeties and two running backs. You can come to this conclusion based off of a few details concerning this draft

 

1. Myles Garrett and Jonathan Allen will both be gone in the top 3 picks.

 

Allen and Garrett will more than likely be seen as the two superstar prospects in this draft and both will be drafted in the top 2-3 picks, given the state of the quarterback situation in this draft. Which leads me to my next point...

 

2. While multiple QBs won't go in the top 3, at least one will.

 

While I don't think multiple QBs are likely to go in the first 3 picks in this draft, I do think a team in the top 3 will talk themselves into drafting one. While none of the top QB prospects are sure things, I can see a team being able to convince themselves to draft one of Trubisky, Kizer, or Watson top 3. I think the QB situation may end up being similar to 2014, where we took Bortles at 3 when no one was expecting it. All 3 of the teams picking in the top 3 need QBs and it's just too thirsty of a QB league for at least one to not take one of them.

 

So, moving with the assumption that Garrett and Allen will likely be gone but no other players outside of a QB, we have to narrow down the top needs for this team. I think those are clearly pass rush, OL, RB, and S. Now, by process of elimination we can rule out some of these:

 

OL: No prospect is worth a top 4 pick in this draft

EDGE: Unfortunately, it doesn't seem Barnett will grade out as a top 5 player and the only other edge rusher in this class who could is Tim Williams, and he may have some drug problems. So, assuming Barnett and Williams are both late first-early second round picks, that rules out a pass rusher worth taking in the top 4 (in comparison to talent at other positions)

 

Now that those two positions are ruled out, we are left at RB and S. The main prospects for these two positions are Fournette, Cook, Adams, and Hooker. Now, the strongest indicator against us drafting a safety top 4 is the past draft history. Looking at NFL draft history overall, no DB has been selected in the top 4 in nearly 20 year. Meanwhile, we have precedent for RBs being selected top 4 this decade with Trent Richardson in 2012 and Ezekiel Elliott just last year. Now, looking at Coughlin's drafting history, he's only taken a DB in the first round of the draft 4 times, and none of those times were in the top 10. Furthermore, all of those DBs were CBs. So Coughlin has essentially never drafted a safety in the first round. And of course we already know first  hand Coughlin spent a top 10 pick on a running back before. Given this track record, it doesn't seem likely a safety is to be drafted by us with a top 4 pick. The only thing that could compromise this line of thinking is the fact we will have a gaping hole at safety once Cyp walks, but given the value of the position, they may wait to draft one in the second round if we don't sign a starter in FA.

 

So, that leaves us at running back. The reason I believe it will be Fournette over Cook is because Tom has shown he like bigger backs, and at 6'1'' 230lbs Fournette is clearly the bigger back to Cook's reported 5'10'' 210-215lbs frame. Furthermore, Matt Miller reported hearing concerns about Cook's shoulder surgeries, which were a concern of my own, and fumbles. These factors could have Cook dropping. Furthermore, Fournette is still seen as a special prospect at his position and will likely grade out ahead of Cook for most FOs, including our's. 

 

Therefore, by process of elimination, Fournette is the most likely pick for us as things stand. I think we will try fortify the OL in FA and sign JPP to boost pass edge pass rush and will either sign a starting safety or draft one in the second round.

Fournette's ankles are almost as scary as Cook's shoulders (Allen's shoulders are probably scarier than both too).

 

Just take one of the safeties or Tim Williams please. 

I just said why that's not likely. Also, shoulders have proven a more tricky/indicative injury than ankles. And anyway, I think Fournette was making business decisions most of this season. 

If I'm already taking bad positional value in the top 5, I don't want the phrase "chronic ankle injury" attached to it as well. Especially not in a RB class this good and deep.

 

I also don't get why you are capping your top 4 draft history so rigidly either. If you expand it one whole spot then you can add the home run safety pick Eric Berry, who just so happens to be the most common comp for Adams. 

And yes I understand it's what you think will happen, not necessarily what you think should happen.

 

I am worried it happens too. Not as worried as I was when it was just Caldwell at GM, but still worried. 

The record of taking safety so high is pretty bad in the last 15 years. 

 

Mark Barron

Laron Landry

Michael Huff 

Donte Whitner

Sean Taylor

Roy Williams

 

If you are lucky you get an okay player but most of these guys were pretty crappy.

The running back list is even worse. I'm taking Barron, Whitner, and Landry over guys like Spiller, Bush, and Richardson all day. 

 

After looking at it more, I think that is an excellent hit rate for top 10 positional draft list. Taylor was on his way to being one of the all time great safeties, Berry is on a hall of fame trajectory, Williams was a 5 time pro bowler, Barron/Landry/Whitner are all solid long term starters with a couple of pro bowls sprinkled in, and the worst player on the list Huff at least started for half a decade too. 

 

I think you'd be hard pressed to find a position with a better hit rate among top 10 picks (granted most other positions would have a much larger sample size).

Look at our new RB coach too. It's looking more and more likely. 

Yeah the Running back list is really really bad:

 

AP

Mcfadden\

Bush

Ronnie Brown

Spiller

Cadillac Williams

Cedric Benson

Richardson

 

Basically 1 good player there. Maybe there is someone dumb enough to trade up to 4 to get a QB? Usually I would just assume that Cleveland would want to do something dumb like that but despite going 1-15, I think they are being intelligent in their personnel choices now. The Jets are still stupid right? 

Quote:The record of taking safety so high is pretty bad in the last 15 years.


Mark Barron

Laron Landry

Michael Huff

Donte Whitner

Sean Taylor

Roy Williams


If you are lucky you get an okay player but most of these guys were pretty crappy.


Are you trying to say Sean Taylor was only an OK player??
I'd prefer to trade down and get D'Onta Foreman, but I'd be fine with Fournette. If he is over the injuries, he's a fantastic player and could really kick start the run game as long as we address O-Line as well. When healthy, Fournette reminds me of "The Nigerian Nightmare" Christian Okoye. 

Solomon Thomas will be in the conversation for our pick come draft time.

I wonder if GMs really pay much attention to what has happened in previous drafts.


Makes sense that you might want to wait for a later round to pick up a good RB (as there is a lot of depth at the position this year) but to me the performance of previous RBs is irrelevant - if the Cowboys thought that way, they wouldn't have drafted Elliott.


They just need to trust their evaluation of this year's players and not be scared by past failures.


Fournette would make a big difference for our offense and would be more valuable than a safety in my opinion.
Quote:Yeah the Running back list is really really bad:


AP

Mcfadden\

Bush

Ronnie Brown

Spiller

Cadillac Williams

Cedric Benson

Richardson


Basically 1 good player there. Maybe there is someone dumb enough to trade up to 4 to get a QB? Usually I would just assume that Cleveland would want to do something dumb like that but despite going 1-15, I think they are being intelligent in their personnel choices now. The Jets are still stupid right?


Browns intelligent? They drafted 5 WRs last year
Quote:Fournette's ankles are almost as scary as Cook's shoulders (Allen's shoulders are probably scarier than both too).


Just take one of the safeties or Tim Williams please.


Tim Williams who is rumored to have a randy Gregory level addiction to weed? Sounds like a great pick at 4th overall.
Quote:Fournette's ankles are almost as scary as Cook's shoulders (Allen's shoulders are probably scarier than both too).


Just take one of the safeties or Tim Williams please.


Meh, a "loose ankle" isn't really that complicated of a surgery to fix.
Quote:Tim Williams who is rumored to have a randy Gregory level addiction to weed? Sounds like a great pick at 4th overall.
 

 

 

Agreed. If that is true, I believe he falls to round 2. 
I'd wait to see how the pass-rushers end up shuffling about before drawing the conclusion the Jags best bet is a RB or safety at 4. 

 

There may be a late riser in the DE/Edge group that cracks the top ten after the combine. 

 

If Solomon, Barnett or McKinley do something freakish at their pro-day, all star game or combine, they may climb boards. 

Quote:Agreed. If that is true, I believe he falls to round 2. 
Obviously that would change things. I'm waiting on a bit more substance than walterfootball's cat obsessed sidekick's insider. 

 

If Allen, Williams, Cook, and Fournette all have major red flags then we still have two beast safety prospects to fall back on. No biggie.
Quote:I'd wait to see how the pass-rushers end up shuffling about before drawing the conclusion the Jags best bet is a RB or safety at 4.


There may be a late riser in the DE/Edge group that cracks the top ten after the combine.


If Solomon, Barnett or McKinley do something freakish at their pro-day, all star game or combine, they may climb boards.


I'd have no problem taking McKinley or Solomon and #4 if Allen is gone.


A trade back would be ideal.


Might be alone in this but I'm fairly sure there will will be 3 QBs drafted in the top 15 this year.
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