Quote:I thought it was the Republicans who put all the holes in the ACA so it'd fail and the blame fall on the Democrats.
You had both houses of Congress, the white house, and 60 votes in the Senate. Don't try to deflect blame, we didn't vote for this, you did, you own it, that's why it is Obamacare. You could have tried to fix it over the last 8 years, but you didn't. You own it.
The entire healthcare industry needs revamped and regulated...I don't like bigger government or more control of private enterprise, but it's quite obvious that the system is broken and needs intervention...The first problem is that employers have been charged as the facilitators of health care...It's deemed a benefit, yet it has spiraled out of control to where it has become a burden...I wish there was a way for health care provided by the government such as other countries around the world managed to do, to work here, but our government can't manage anything effectively or efficiently
Quote:The entire healthcare industry needs revamped and regulated...I don't like bigger government or more control of private enterprise, but it's quite obvious that the system is broken and needs intervention...The first problem is that employers have been charged as the facilitators of health care...It's deemed a benefit, yet it has spiraled out of control to where it has become a burden...I wish there was a way for health care provided by the government such as other countries around the world managed to do, to work here, but our government can't manage anything effectively or efficiently
Yep. If you want to see how single payer has worked in the US, just look at the VA. It's kind of pathetic that the socialists were touting it as a successful example of a US single payer system ... until the truth came out.
Quote:You had both houses of Congress, the white house, and 60 votes in the Senate. Don't try to deflect blame, we didn't vote for this, you did, you own it, that's why it is Obamacare. You could have tried to fix it over the last 8 years, but you didn't. You own it.
I'm just stating what happened.
Quote:I'm just stating what happened.
No, you are deflecting blame for the Democrat failures. Did you really expect the republicans to just go along with public option or single payer? Democrats had full control and they are the ones who made and passed this (word that is not a bad word, I am trying to be nice) and your only response was that it would have been better if we had doubled down and gone even further with the changes.
What happened was Democrats passed the bill on Christmas eve on a party line vote without even reading the bill and now they don't want to own up to the mess they made.
Quote:Yep. If you want to see how single payer has worked in the US, just look at the VA. It's kind of pathetic that the socialists were touting it as a successful example of a US single payer system ... until the truth came out.
Singlepayer works well in other mixed economies. The Dutch Netherlands are a good model. The system can work, if you get the corporate lobbyists and swamp monsters out of Washington.
<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/in-the-literature/2008/may/universal-mandatory-health-insurance-in-the-netherlands--a-model-for-the-united-states'>http://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/in-the-literature/2008/may/universal-mandatory-health-insurance-in-the-netherlands--a-model-for-the-united-states</a>
Growing dissatisfaction with "top-down" health care rationing policies—criticized for their inability to promote efficiency and innovation—led to broad support for incentive-based reform. In 1987, a government-appointed group of advisors proposed a national health care system based on market-driven reform.
Over the next two decades, the Dutch government worked to lay a foundation for merging competition with universal access to health care. For example, the new system required a system of risk equalization to prevent insurers from seeking only young, healthy customers. Additional reforms included developing a pricing system that would discourage physicians from providing inferior care; determining how to measure quality and outcomes; and arming consumers with more information about the price and quality of insurers and providers.
You aren't getting single payer. I could start picking at it but I don't think it would convince you anyways, but you're pointing to a country that has consistently sub 1% GDP growth. The point is that isn't happening and that entire agenda was soundly rejected and defeated once again. These Utopian ideas are real nice but some of us have to live and work in this country.
"Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul vowed Saturday night that he would reveal a bill to replace ObamaCare next week.
<p style="font-size:17px;font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;background-color:rgb(244,244,244);">Paul, a Republican,
tweeted a photo of the first page of the bill he titled the “Obamacare Replacement Act.” He added: “Done drafting the bill & will be discussing on CNN Sunday AM and all week next week!”
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/...acare.html
Quote:Semantics.
The EMTALA ensures that nobody goes without healthcare. It has been around since 1986, and didn't need 27000 pages of legislation that nobody could even read while considered.
You are showing your ignorance of this country's healthcare system. You don't live here. Let's not pretend to be an expert on it.
There is a reason that persons of power and influence throughout the world used to come to the US for their healthcare. It was the best in the world. You don't hear about that so much anymore though. Have you ever asked yourself why?
I'm confident that healthcare in the US is still the very best for the very wealthy people of the world.
You guys pay way more for way less service compared to other first world countries and your outcomes depend on your wallet. There's a reason US style healthcare is a dirty word around here.
Quote:I'm confident that healthcare in the US is still the very best for the very wealthy people of the world.
You guys pay way more for way less service compared to other first world countries and your outcomes depend on your wallet. There's a reason US style healthcare is a dirty word around here.
I really don't get the obsession from non-citizens about what goes on here in the USA.
Quote:I really don't get the obsession from non-citizens about what goes on here in the USA.
You guys are very thin skinned. Would hardly consider a few posts while quiet at work obsessed.
Sad that us foreigners on the board are discouraged to comment when we most likely live in a country with a better health model
Quote:You guys are very thin skinned. Would hardly consider a few posts while quiet at work obsessed.
Sad that us foreigners on the board are discouraged to comment when we most likely live in a country with a better health model
Lastonealive I'm curious what country are you from?
Quote:You aren't getting single payer. I could start picking at it but I don't think it would convince you anyways, but you're pointing to a country that has consistently sub 1% GDP growth. The point is that isn't happening and that entire agenda was soundly rejected and defeated once again. These Utopian ideas are real nice but some of us have to live and work in this country.
Fine then something more in line with the German model which is a multi-payer system.
<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/04/what-american-healthcare-can-learn-from-germany/360133/'>http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/04/what-american-healthcare-can-learn-from-germany/360133/</a>
The basis of the German health insurance system is markedly di erent from Canada’s approach. Rather than relying on a tax-funded monopoly govern- ment insurer, the German system provides universal coverage through two insurance premium-funded systems1: a Social Health Insurance (SHI) sys- tem for all Germans and a Private Health Insurance (PHI) system that is an option for high-income and self-employed Germans (discussed below). Both systems are characterized by competition between independent statutory and private insurers (Germans have a choice of insurance company in both sectors), and competition between providers, alongside personal nancial responsibility for patients. ough important in terms of funding, regulation, and oversight, governments play little role in the direct delivery of health care.
<a class="bbc_url" href='https://www.fraserinstitute.org/sites/default/files/health-care-lessons-from-germany.pdf'>https://www.fraserinstitute.org/sites/default/files/health-care-lessons-from-germany.pdf</a>
Yeah the German system sounds better but you're still dealing with a public option for most people then. I remember Democrats trying to sell the German model back in 2009 too. Given the track record of incompetence, do you honestly want to trust it with your health or your life? They can't even get the VA right and frankly, the government does not care about us at all. The sooner people get their heads on right about that, the better off they will be. Germany is about to have a big problem with that system by the way with lots more low skill or unemployable people flooding into it.
It looks like we're going to try something closer to the free market system. If it doesn't work, I will consider other options.
one of the problems with our healthcare system is there really is no competition...There are very few independent providers with the vast majority of providers owned by 3 or 4 companies, and with those 3 or so companies, all of the majority stockholders are the same...The CEO of one company sits on the BOD for the other 2 companies and visa versa
Quote:You guys are very thin skinned. Would hardly consider a few posts while quiet at work obsessed.
Sad that us foreigners on the board are discouraged to comment when we most likely live in a country with a better health model
It's not just healthcare, and it is not just you. Though it may have seemed that way, my comment wasn't directed solely at you. Peruse these political forums and you will see comments in most of the threads about how we yanks should be doing things.
Our system of government took us from a fledgling nation to a world leader in roughly 150 years. Not too shabby in my opinion. Furthermore it seems to me that the more we try to emulate how Europe does things the more screwed up we are becoming. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying we are perfect and we certainly know there is plenty of room for improvement. It is just for me, personally that is; that I would never be so brazen as to go onto a website based in Great Briton and tell the British how to run their lives and country.
Quote:Lastonealive I'm curious what country are you from?
He's a Limey banished to Oz.
Quote:It's not just healthcare, and it is not just you. Though it may have seemed that way, my comment wasn't directed solely at you. Peruse these political forums and you will see comments in most of the threads about how we yanks should be doing things.
Our system of government took us from a fledgling nation to a world leader in roughly 150 years. Not too shabby in my opinion. Furthermore it seems to me that the more we try to emulate how Europe does things the more screwed up we are becoming. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying we are perfect and we certainly know there is plenty of room for improvement. It is just for me, personally that is; that I would never be so brazen as to go onto a website based in Great Briton and tell the British how to run their lives and country.
What have we tried to emulate from Europe?
The only jobs added by obamacare was in the government bureacracy.
Most healthcare positions of actually delivering services need people.