Quote:HERE HERE!!!! Suck it San Diego Beat writer!!!!
They have been trying to move us for years. It was always gonna be them tho.
I feel bad for San Diego tho. They deserved the team.
But we are in place, hopefully we get good and lock the Jags in. London is still a distant threat, especially if another team trys to move there.
Quote:They have been trying to move us for years. It was always gonna be them tho.
I feel bad for San Diego tho. They deserved the team.
But we are in place, hopefully we get good and lock the Jags in. London is still a distant threat, especially if another team trys to move there.
I went to the chargers jags game this last year.
I gotta tell you.
There were a boat load of die hard charges fans.
Only empty seats were behind jags bench.
That city has a bunch of PISSED off and hurt fans
Quote:I went to the chargers jags game this last year.
I gotta tell you.
There were a boat load of die hard charges fans.
Only empty seats were behind jags bench.
That city has a bunch of [BAD WORD REMOVED] off and hurt fans
Yep, its a mistake for them to goto LA, but value wise its a no-brainer. Maybe Spanos will sell and the team will come back. Who knows?
Quote:Yep, its a mistake for them to goto LA, but value wise its a no-brainer. Maybe Spanos will sell and the team will come back. Who knows?
It's only 8 quick months away.
Quote:This article shows the Jags are pretty much safe until at lease 2030 http://jacksonville.com/sports/football/jaguars/2011-11-30/story/jaguars-lease-makes-it-costly-leave-jacksonville-2030
Someone would have to pay a very big amount of money to allow the team to move. Or the Jags would have to prove to be unprofitable for a few season. But in the NFL all teams make money so that wont happen either.
Spanos just paid $650 million to move the Chargers to LA, it would be naive to think anyone wouldn't pay the $100 million or so to move the Jags out of Jacksonville. Having said that, nothing Khan has done has shown even the slightest hint of him moving the team. As for profitability; prior to Khan becoming the owner the Jags were barely breaking even, with the London game the Jags are now profitable in Jacksonville but the whole issue is moot since the NFL would never allow any franchise to open their books in such a manner as to proof they were losing money.
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Spanos just paid $650 million to move the Chargers to LA, it would be naive to think anyone wouldn't pay the $100 million or so to move the Jags out of Jacksonville. Having said that, nothing Khan has done has shown even the slightest hint of him moving the team. As for profitability; prior to Khan becoming the owner the Jags were barely breaking even, with the London game the Jags are now profitable in Jacksonville but the whole issue is moot since the NFL would never allow any franchise to open their books in such a manner as to proof they were losing money.
To your first point, it just shows how unreasonable Spanos was being. He's asking for the taxpayers to foot the bill of his new stadium, but magically finds 650 million to relocate the team, in which he still has to find/build a stadium to play in or share a stadium with the Rams? He could've paid and built the stadium himself, and he gets to keep all of the profits in doing so, If he really wanted to stay.
Regarding your second point, nail/head.
Quote:we packed 65k fans in everbank this year ... those packers, broncos, and vikes games sure were crowded
lol there were more bronco fans i was at that one
Quote:lol there were more bronco fans i was at that one
I always laugh at how people overestimate visiting fans. Urban myth has a couple of games packing 60K Steeler fans into Everbank on a few occasions. There were a lot of Bronco fans (and a lot of Vikings fans at that game) but Jaguar fans easily outnumbered visitors 4 or 5 to 1.
I saw that title and for a split second, my heart dropped.
Ya got me.
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Quote:I went to the chargers jags game this last year.
I gotta tell you.
There were a boat load of die hard charges fans.
Only empty seats were behind jags bench.
That city has a bunch of [BAD WORD REMOVED] off and hurt fans
If the fans in San Diego are going to be angry, they should be angry at their inept politicians! Spanos and the team clearly wanted to stay. But at some point the dollars have to drive it.
Quote:If the fans in San Diego are going to be angry, they should be angry at their inept politicians! Spanos and the team clearly wanted to stay. But at some point the dollars have to drive it.
Spanos didn't want to stay at all. He saw the increase in value the Rams got from moving back to LA and wanted a piece of that action before the Raiders got there. He made a token effort to build a new stadium in San Diego but a deal where the city would paid $1.1 billion of a $1.5 billion and the city (as well as the voters) rightly told him to sod off.
Quote:Spanos didn't want to stay at all. He saw the increase in value the Rams got from moving back to LA and wanted a piece of that action before the Raiders got there. He made a token effort to build a new stadium in San Diego but a deal where the city would paid $1.1 billion of a $1.5 billion and the city (as well as the voters) rightly told him to sod off.
I don't know if I buy this Spanos never wanting to stay hypothetical.
I know there has been a need for a new stadium in San Diego for quite some time. Jack Murphy/Qualcomm/whatever that stadium is now called is almost as old as I am, if not older. I know he had been trying to get a new stadium for a long time, and the L.A. market has been available for 20 years.
If he simply wanted to bolt (no pun intended) to Los Angeles, he could have negotiated his own stadium deal and done it himself years ago.
While many find the public financing of stadiums repugnant, and while recent history has shown some recent examples of nearly completely privately financed stadiums (save infrastructure like road, sewer, etc.), history has shown that in most instances where cities let their stadiums become dilapidated, they end up losing the team.
Fortunately Jacksonville has been largely proactive/cooperative in helping to make Everbank field a top facility. They need to continue being proactive in stadium issues, including preparing for the day the stadium needs to be rebuilt/a new stadium needs construction.
All the chest thumping and posturing aside, San Diego and San Diegoians lost their team.
They lost part of their identity. They lost part of who they are and they'll never get it back.
If you've been there, you know they spend tons on an awesome public transit system (which one destination, the stadium, is now irrelevant) the awesome downtown area (gas lamp) and a lot of stuff directly associated with quality of life. A lot of things you can't put a hard value on too.
Like having a team. Part of "US" "OUR TEAM." That's now gone forever.
Everyone didn't do enough to save "THEIR TEAM" from the politicians to the team, and yes, the taxpayers.
At the end of the day, their stance results in only them, the taxpayers, having a huge void that'll never be filled.
Quote:Spanos just paid $650 million to move the Chargers to LA, it would be naive to think anyone wouldn't pay the $100 million or so to move the Jags out of Jacksonville.
Having said that, nothing Khan has done has shown even the slightest hint of him moving the team. As for profitability; prior to Khan becoming the owner the Jags were barely breaking even, with the London game the Jags are now profitable in Jacksonville but the whole issue is moot since the NFL would never allow any franchise to open their books in such a manner as to proof they were losing money.
Thank you! I have no idea when this epiphany came DF, but I support it fully. Our lease was never as iron-clad as people thought. What seemed like a big penalty, no longer is. As long as nobody else tries to locate a franchise to London full time, we will be fine (as long as we keep up our stadium). But the moment we A. let the stadium become dilapidated, or B. another team starts talking about moving to London and we lose our 'home games, we would be in hot water.
Jags fans have been doing their part, but this is just the way the world is right now. The risk of losing our team will drastically increase over the next decade if the city sits on its hands with the stadium. So if a mayor cares about the long term viability of the J-ville Jaguars, they need to be having this conversation about our stadium now. I think the moment we start winning, new stadium talks will come shortly after.
Quote:Thank you! I have no idea when this epiphany came DF, but I support it fully. Our lease was never as iron-clad as people thought. What seemed like a big penalty, no longer is. As long as nobody else tries to locate a franchise to London full time, we will be fine (as long as we keep up our stadium). But the moment we A. let the stadium become dilapidated, or B. another team starts talking about moving to London and we lose our 'home games, we would be in hot water.
Jags fans have been doing their part, but this is just the way the world is right now. The risk of losing our team will drastically increase over the next decade if the city sits on its hands with the stadium. So if a mayor cares about the long term viability of the J-ville Jaguars, they need to be having this conversation about our stadium now. I think the moment we start winning, new stadium talks will come shortly after.
Thing is, Khan has been very fait towards the city so far. He hasn't asked them to make concessions they haven't already agreed to, all the expansions to the stadium in the past few years have been within the established contracts between the Jaguars and the city. Khan has even gone as far as agreeing to cover the costs of any budget overruns on the stadium improvements. The man has shown himself to be not just a shrewd businessman but a fair one as well and it's why I have very little patience for any criticism of Khan.
As for the London game; I don't think we have much to fear of any team taking that away from us. No team in the NFL seems to want to play in London that bad, most of them just play there to get some kind of benefit or because they don't have much to lose from moving a home game to London.
Quote:San Diego is a bad sports town, but I dont know how two L.A teams is going to work. They have problems getting excitement for 1 team.
San Diego is 10 times the sports town that Jacksonville is. Don't throw stones in a glass house.
Quote:San Diego is 10 times the sports town that Jacksonville is. Don't throw stones in a glass house.
Yeah we as Jag fans shouldn't be calling out other fans when The games don't even sell out. But the San Diego media is fair game.
I don't feel sorry for them at all. After so many years of media and other teams fans bashing us and thinking Jacksonville doesn't deserve a team, good riddance.
Quote:Thing is, Khan has been very fait towards the city so far. He hasn't asked them to make concessions they haven't already agreed to, all the expansions to the stadium in the past few years have been within the established contracts between the Jaguars and the city. Khan has even gone as far as agreeing to cover the costs of any budget overruns on the stadium improvements. The man has shown himself to be not just a shrewd businessman but a fair one as well and it's why I have very little patience for any criticism of Khan.
As for the London game; I don't think we have much to fear of any team taking that away from us. No team in the NFL seems to want to play in London that bad, most of them just play there to get some kind of benefit or because they don't have much to lose from moving a home game to London.
I agree about Khan, he isn't Spanos or Kroenke who were gunning to leave. I think he doesn't mind keeping the Jaguars in J-ville at all, and would probably prefer that. But that being said, when another team starts talking about going to London if their stadium demands aren't met, thats when we will see how committed he really is. He wants more London 'home' games for money and market, and I am okay with it as it buys us more time. Threaten that golden goose tho, and we might get different treatment. In ten years Jax better be building a new stadium with a much more 'iron clad' lease if we really want the jags to stay. I would say a billion dollar penalty would be a real 'iron clad' thing at this point, but 500 million might be enough with all the relocation fees he would have to pay.