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Quote:Andy Dalton gets a rap as a game manager because he doesn't have the strongest arm in the world, and he's surrounded by a great supporting cast that makes life easy for him. I think he's a much better QB than he gets credit for.

Outside of AJ green..... How good are those offensive players, to be honest?

Quote:Outside of AJ green..... How good are those offensive players, to be honest?

Bernard, Sanu, Gresham, Eifert, Marvin Jones...you could do a lot worse.

Quote:Bernard, Sanu, Gresham, Eifert, Marvin Jones...you could do a lot worse.

You definitely could but I think a lot of those guys look better because of Dalton.


A lot of pretty average guys overall, at least I think so.

Dalton is a solid QB. Just needs to get it done in the play-offs. Right now id say he's in the Matt Ryan / Matthew Stafford tier. Supported by talented players on offense but somehow it doesn't seem to come together in the important games for them.

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1. Franchise

2. Elite

3. Upper-tier

4. Game manager

5. Average

6. Stopgap

7. Fringe

8 Blaine Gabbert

I always had the impression that there are franchise quarterbacks - but not all of them were elite.   

 

I'd switch those. 

I love when a QB plays poorly for 3 years in the playoffs he's suddenly dubbed a "game manager"


the career is long.

Peyton Manning had the same problems early in his career as well. I don't see Dalton as a game manager either though. Good test to see where he stacks up though against Rodgers this weekend.

Quote:Dalton is a solid QB. Just needs to get it done in the play-offs. Right now id say he's in the Matt Ryan / Matthew Stafford tier. Supported by talented players on offense but somehow it doesn't seem to come together in the important games for them.

I'm not sure I'd put Stafford in that tier. He comes up with highlight reels because of Calvin Johnson. Even when he isn't throwing it to Johnson, the attention of the defense is directed at #81. He's got the dream scenario, with an all-time great highlighting a talented offense, and he's still completed less than 60% of his career passes for a QB rating of 83. Take Megatron away, and I believe that Stafford is a below-average QB.

 

Quote:I always had the impression that there are franchise quarterbacks - but not all of them were elite.   

 

I'd switch those. 

You know what? I tend to agree with you, though I mostly wrote it up as yet another cheap dig at Gabbert.

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You know what? I tend to agree with you, though I mostly wrote it up as yet another cheap dig at Gabbert.

Haha. Understood. 

Quote:I love when a QB plays poorly for 3 years in the playoffs he's suddenly dubbed a "game manager"


the career is long.

 

I dubbed him a game manager long before that....

 

...and was right long before that. :yes: 

Quote:I dubbed him a game manager long before that....


...and was right long before that. :yes:

And you haven't known what you were talking about long before that.

Quote:Well, genius, what team are you the gm for or even a scout since you are the perfect talent evaluator?


How do you find the time to do all of your research in between being the toughest guy alive?

Shut up fun boy and stick to talking football. You sound real lame leaving out that area of discussion.

Quote:Shut up fun boy and stick to talking football. You sound real lame leaving out that area of discussion.

Your English is terrible. You should invest in some education.


Is that why you're so angry? Inferiority complex?

Quote:I was an anti-Carr and still am. 

 

He has one good game against a Chargers team that looked past Oakland and now all of a sudden he's great? Please....Carr blows.

Other than his last name being Carr, what exactly do you not like about the guy?

Quote:Other than his last name being Carr, what exactly do you not like about the guy?

He had a bad game in college.

 

No, seriously, TMD's biggest beef with him is his last name, and his second-biggest is that Carr had a bad game in college.

This is unacceptable. Let me speak to the game manager. :angry:


Btw, Andy Dalton is most certainly a game manager. And I agree with NYC, switch elite and franchise.

Quote:Finally for my brother TMD he said this about Teddy Bridgewater:

 

 

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<p style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">I've seen some good things on tape with Bridgewater. He's a good game manager, and I mean that in the most positive way -- he's done a good job of running the Vikings' offense. I thought he was the most NFL-ready QB of this class coming out of college, and he can overcome his lack of an elite arm with his intelligence and anticipation. He got beat up last week against Detroit, but I'm not too concerned about the three INTs, as several were on tipped passes and the Lions' defense has frustrated a lot of QBs so far this season. I am a little concerned about his long-term health behind a struggling offensive line, though, as he has a smaller frame for the position.

 

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Marvin Jones was IR'd earlier but yeah, they have some skill players.

Quote:Bernard, Sanu, Gresham, Eifert, Marvin Jones...you could do a lot worse.

 

 
Dude, do you really think anyone takes you serious?

Quote:Shut up fun boy and stick to talking football. You sound real lame leaving out that area of discussion.

 

Quote:Who was 32-26

 

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<p style="font-size:12px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Rodgers is one of the premier arm talents in the NFL. He's fearless, he understands how defenses want to attack him, and he has improved his decision-making. With 15 TDs and only one INT (on a Week 1 pass his receiver could've caught), there aren't many weaknesses in his game. He has gotten better about checking to the run when defenses play safeties deep and taking what the opposition gives him. While Rodgers has rushed only seven times for 38 yards, he's a constant threat to beat teams with his legs as well -- including with his pocket mobility.

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<p style="font-size:12px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Luck is my pick for the top young QB in the league, surpassing Russell Wilson, Cam Newton and others. He's got all the talent in the world and is putting it on display this season. Luck is one of the best QBs at calibrating his throws; he can stick it when he needs to, but you won't see him gunning checkdowns to RBs. He is still an underrated runner, climbs the pocket exceptionally well and has elite pocket awareness. Luck still makes more head-scratching throws (including seven INTs) than I'd like to see from a QB with his ability, but those should decrease in time. Put simply: The Colts win because Andrew Luck is on their team. He is raising the talent level on that roster.

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<p style="font-size:12px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">I'm still trying to figure out how he fit that TD pass in on "Monday Night Football" against the St. Louis Rams. It served as yet another reminder of just how big of an arm Kaepernick has -- he can make every throw. From watching him, I still think he needs to be more comfortable in the pocket, as opposed to escaping when his first read isn't there, but overall his mobility adds another dimension to his game and to the 49ers' offense that other QBs and teams simply don't have.

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<p style="font-size:12px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Newton has been playing very well since coming back from injury. What I've noticed about Newton is that he's like a pitcher who has a very good fastball: He's going to get guys out, but you have to learn to live with the walks. Newton still doesn't calibrate the velocity of his throws very well, but I believe that the injuries will actually help his overall progression, as he has been forced to stay in the pocket more in his first couple of weeks back (although the Panthers used him on several designed runs against the Bengals last week). His completion percentage (61.7 percent) is the same as last season; let's see if he can increase that as he regains more mobility.

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<p style="font-size:12px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Dalton has an outstanding supporting cast around him (when everyone, particularly A.J. Green, is healthy), and has been sacked the fewest times of any starting QB in the league (twice). He still is making too many head-scratching throws for a QB with his experience, but ultimately his season will be defined by his play in the postseason. He got the contract he wanted, now he needs to deliver when it counts the most.