Quote:I'm not worried about Fisch "ruining" him, honestly elite QB's don't get ruined by coordinators, they make coordinators look good.
I think Bortles is going to be one of those QB's that when he's hot he's going to be unbeatable, but when he's cold it's turn over city. I'm willing to stomach some games with high turnovers for a guy that's going to be aggressive and attack down field. He just has to limit WHEN the turnovers come, I think as he grows that will be the big difference between now and then.
Well I don't mean ruin in the since where people say Gabbert was "ruined", no I think Gabbert would have sucked no matter the circumstances, I hope Fisch doesn't change him into something he's not by blocking his potential. I think it was TMD that used to word neutering which is probably more in line with what I mean. He want's to sling the rock more than a drug dealer, don't tie his hands, put him in a position where he can excel at doing that.
Quote:Well I don't mean ruin in the since where people say Gabbert was "ruined", no I think Gabbert would have sucked no matter the circumstances, I hope Fisch doesn't change him into something he's not by blocking his potential. I think it was TMD that used to word neutering which is probably more in line with what I mean. He want's to sling the rock more than a drug dealer, don't tie his hands, put him in a position where he can excel at doing that.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: yep
Quote:Yawn.
Someone has found their new agenda.
What exactly is he wrong about? Has Bortles not been throwing primarily short passes the last game and a half? Are DBs not beginning to sit on the short routes, leading to interceptions?
Quote:Not as elite as Andrew Luck.
Most people seem to think he will be better than Luck.
I hope he does, I've just ordered a limited "20 year" Bortles Jersey, which, once international shipping and import tax added, is over $210.
I needed to finally replace my Reebok MJD jersey
I agree with Jerrad. They found out BB was throwing short out routes by the second half of the game. BB strengths are actually long/intermediate passes down the middle. If we only had a TE who can run a great route down the seam...
Quote:Well I don't mean ruin in the since where people say Gabbert was "ruined", no I think Gabbert would have sucked no matter the circumstances, I hope Fisch doesn't change him into something he's not by blocking his potential. I think it was TMD that used to word neutering which is probably more in line with what I mean. He want's to sling the rock more than a drug dealer, don't tie his hands, put him in a position where he can excel at doing that.
Did you read my post? Fisch made it clear he will
not handcuff Bortles.
Quote:What exactly is he wrong about? Has Bortles not been throwing primarily short passes the last game and a half? Are DBs not beginning to sit on the short routes, leading to interceptions?
To lay it all at the feet of the coaches in order to push the diva's anti Bradley agenda is just too simple-minded. It doesn't take into account a host of other issues that are at play in determining what the offense is going to look like, and what we've seen the past 2 weeks is not indicative of what we should expect to see as things progress. To think otherwise means you're either too mentally challenged to fixate on more than one thing at a time, or you have an agenda. The reality is you've got rookies out there at receiver, a running game that's struggling to get going behind a line that is slowly coming together, and a rookie QB who is working through a pretty steep learning curve. There's a lot more to why the passing game looks the way it does right now than the coaching. You're smart enough to know better. TMD? Not so much.
Quote:Did you read my post? Fisch made it clear he will not handcuff Bortles.
LOL...yeah, and JDR made it clear that there would be no more "3 yards and a cloud of dust" offense....
Turns out JDR's "rhetoric" went against precisely the type of offense he indeed wanted to see (as he loved the 10-3 defensive type game).
Fisch can talk all he wants about how he's not going to handcuff Bortles....I'll let the actual results and play of Bortles prove that rhetoric truthful or simply hot air. Fact is, Bortles over the past 6 quarters of football looks very similar in style to what we got with Chad Henne at QB.
That suggests to me that the more time that goes by - you ultimately get Fisch's offense. Bortles was more of a gunslinger BEFORE he got entrained in what Fisch wants to do. (his first 5 appearances).
Quote:I agree with Jerrad. They found out BB was throwing short out routes by the second half of the game. BB strengths are actually long/intermediate passes down the middle. If we only had a TE who can run a great route down the seam...
One great thing about Bortles is he can make all of the throws. We probably will draft that tight end next year. In the meantime, I enjoy watching Clay Harbor.
Quote:Well I don't mean ruin in the since where people say Gabbert was "ruined", no I think Gabbert would have sucked no matter the circumstances, I hope Fisch doesn't change him into something he's not by blocking his potential. I think it was TMD that used to word neutering which is probably more in line with what I mean. He want's to sling the rock more than a drug dealer, don't tie his hands, put him in a position where he can excel at doing that.
Fisch said just last week that they're letting Bortles take a pencil to the game plans. He's able to remove things that he's not comfortable with. If he's scratching plays from the playbook, how is that the coaching that's the issue?
Fisch also said that he's pushing Bortles to minimize that editing and to take on more. So, again, is it his fault that the passes are going to check downs? Is it coaching that has receivers running sloppy routes, or dropping passes when they do try to stretch the field? It can't be coaching with the receivers according to TMD because Jerry Sullivan is something close to a deity. So, the receivers clearly aren't doing anything wrong here if you believe his line of thinking.
I think Bortles is doing exactly what he's comfortable doing right now, and as he develops, the playbook will expand. This is what you get when you accelerate the timeline to get a player out on the field.
Quote:So that makes it a fact?
Absolutely. Fisch also said, "He will have the pen last," meaning, "I will let him do what he wants." In another presser, he said, "I just want Blake Bortles to be Blake Bortles."
Everything I am hearing him say means BORTLES WILL NOT BE HANDCUFFED.
Quote:I agree its the playcalling.
And the playcalling sucks over the last 6 quarters of football.
Obsess much? Never seen someone so caught up about 6 qtrs of football. A game and a half. Good god.
Quote:To lay it all at the feet of the coaches in order to push the diva's anti Bradley agenda is just too simple-minded. It doesn't take into account a host of other issues that are at play in determining what the offense is going to look like, and what we've seen the past 2 weeks is not indicative of what we should expect to see as things progress. To think otherwise means you're either too mentally challenged to fixate on more than one thing at a time, or you have an agenda. The reality is you've got rookies out there at receiver, a running game that's struggling to get going behind a line that is slowly coming together, and a rookie QB who is working through a pretty steep learning curve. There's a lot more to why the passing game looks the way it does right now than the coaching. You're smart enough to know better. TMD? Not so much.
I absolutely agree that there are more factors than just playcalling/coaching when it comes to the passing game struggles. I do find it strange how it seemed to happen right after halftime @ San Diego, like a switch was flipped or something.
Expectations for Blake are so high, it is easy to forget sometimes that he is a 22 year old rookie, and he is being asked to carry the entire offense on his back.
Just calm down guys, it was one rough game against the Steelers. There's plenty of things for us to gripe about, Bortles not slinging it for all of 2 quarters isn't one of them.
Quote:Absolutely. Fisch also said, "He will have the pen last," meaning, "I will let him do what he wants." In another presser, he said, "I just want Blake Bortles to be Blake Bortles."
Everything I am hearing him say means BORTLES WILL NOT BE HANDCUFFED.
Actions are more important than words. Let's see how it all plays out during an actual game instead of taking everybody's word for fact.
Quote:I absolutely agree that there are more factors than just playcalling/coaching when it comes to the passing game struggles. I do find it strange how it seemed to happen right after halftime @ San Diego, like a switch was flipped or something.
Expectations for Blake are so high, it is easy to forget sometimes that he is a 22 year old rookie, and he is being asked to carry the entire offense on his back.
Have you ever heard of halftime adjustments? Obviously the Chargers adjusted to what they sawe Bortles doing and, being a rookie, Bortles did not know how to react.
Quote:Have you ever heard of halftime adjustments? Obviously the Chargers adjusted to what they sawe Bortles doing and, being a rookie, Bortles did not know how to react.
No I have never heard of halftime adjustments. Please enlighten me. You are clearly the smartest person on earth since everything is so obvious to you.
Quote:Actions are more important than words. Let's see how it all plays out during an actual game instead of taking everybody's word for fact.
Consider the source....
You are right. Don't even listen to her.