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Quote:Past tense.  IE, Office, Windows used to dominate their markets.  Now they are all in a major decline, and have been for years, and possibly on a path to irrelevancy.   Windows 10 is a desperate attempt to avoid it.  

 

Obviously they didn't own the internet and computing literally.  But there was a point when IE had like 95% market share, and every website had to run through it.  And there was a point when software had to run on Windows, or nobody would even buy it.  

 

It was just a matter of time that the competition caught up.  But stuff like Windows 8 and completely dropping the ball on the mobile market are proof they are partly responsible for their own demise.  

Windows still has a 85% market share in the OS market. IE holds a 50% market share on desktops. MS Office is near ubiquitous, even on Macs. Sure, it's not quite the lofty highs they had in the 90's but MS is still very much the company to beat. 

 

But they do not own the internet, no one really owns the internet. Nor do they own computing, because there is a lot more to computers than the OS, browser and office suite.

Quote:Windows still has a 85% market share in the OS market. IE holds a 50% market share on desktops. MS Office is near ubiquitous, even on Macs. Sure, it's not quite the lofty highs they had in the 90's but MS is still very much the company to beat. 

 

If you're talking about PCs, sure.  Why not.  But if you're looking at the reality that people are now using mobile devices and phones to do most of the stuff they previously did on a PC then I doubt it's even close.  I don't have numbers but I'd guess that the average person uses their tablet/phone in their personal time more than they use a PC of any kind, and I doubt it's running windows.  Windows does still dominate the workplace AND it comes preinstalled on most computers/laptops.  So yea, they got that going for them. Which leads me to a funny story:  Here we have a Town Center shopping plaza (or whatever) and there is both an Apple Store and a Microsoft store.  A few days ago there were so many people in the Apple store there was actually a long wait to get in due to it being a fire hazard.  My lasting memory of the Microsoft store was walking by it one night after it closed and seeing like 40 employees in there with blindfolds on.  

 

 

Quote:But they do not own the internet, no one really owns the internet. Nor do they own computing, because there is a lot more to computers than the OS, browser and office suite.
 

 

Maybe it was Facebook that owned the internet and not Microsoft.  I keep forgetting.

Quote:If you're talking about PCs, sure.  Why not.  But if you're looking at the reality that people are now using mobile devices and phones to do most of the stuff they previously did on a PC then I doubt it's even close.  I don't have numbers but I'd guess that the average person uses their tablet/phone in their personal time more than they use a PC of any kind, and I doubt it's running windows.  Windows does still dominate the workplace AND it comes preinstalled on most computers/laptops.  So yea, they got that going for them. Which leads me to a funny story:  Here we have a Town Center shopping plaza (or whatever) and there is both an Apple Store and a Microsoft store.  A few days ago there were so many people in the Apple store there was actually a long wait to get in due to it being a fire hazard.  My lasting memory of the Microsoft store was walking by it one night after it closed and seeing like 40 employees in there with blindfolds on.  

 

 

 

Maybe it was Facebook that owned the internet and not Microsoft.  I keep forgetting.

 

You are acting way too nonchalant about MS's presence in the desktop and laptop markets. MS isn't going anywhere any time soon.

MS Still owns the corporate world. Windows, IE, Office all standards of the industry.

 

As a web developer, my company finally dropped IE7 support in our last release. Hallelujah! Now, if we can get rid of IE8 I'll be happy as a clam.

 

The funny thing is, I like IE11 and windows 8.1. I was disappointed in the 10 demo. I like the Metro start page. Hope they make it an option... 

 

Edit- it is an option

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If you right click on the taskbar, and click properties, then go over to start menu, there's an option to use the old Metro Start Screen.

Quote:You are acting way too nonchalant about MS's presence in the desktop and laptop markets. MS isn't going anywhere any time soon.

 

Like I said, it is a slow path.  Plus I didn't say they were going anywhere, just that they were becoming irrelevant.  

Quote:Like I said, it is a slow path.  Plus I didn't say they were going anywhere, just that they were becoming irrelevant.  

Yeah, and people have been saying MS is dead since the days of Vista. Do they have the near monopoly they used to? No. Are they dead? Far, far from it.

Quote:Past tense.  IE, Office, Windows used to dominate their markets.  Now they are all in a major decline, and have been for years, and possibly on a path to irrelevancy.   Windows 10 is a desperate attempt to avoid it.  

 

Obviously they didn't own the internet and computing literally.  But there was a point when IE had like 95% market share, and every website had to run through it.  And there was a point when software had to run on Windows, or nobody would even buy it.  

 

It was just a matter of time that the competition caught up.  But stuff like Windows 8 and completely dropping the ball on the mobile market are proof they are partly responsible for their own demise.  

 

Windows 10 is an attempt to satisfy people who prefer to use a mouse and keyboard than a touch screen. They invented Windows 8 to give people with mobile devices a nearly identical experience on laptop and desktop PCs. Of course people who never had such things complained it was not mouse-friendly, so Microsoft created a way to make the software better for them.

Quote:Yeah, and people have been saying MS is dead since the days of Vista. Do they have the near monopoly they used to? No. Are they dead? Far, far from it.

 

I've always been on the Microsoft side of the debate, never really was Mac or Linux user.  But it's become obvious to me in the past few years they just aren't that good of a technology company.  I'm all about future and innovation.  They just don't have it.        

Quote:MS Still owns the corporate world. Windows, IE, Office all standards of the industry.

 

As a web developer, my company finally dropped IE7 support in our last release. Hallelujah! Now, if we can get rid of IE8 I'll be happy as a clam.

 

The funny thing is, I like IE11 and windows 8.1. I was disappointed in the 10 demo. I like the Metro start page. Hope they make it an option... 

 

Edit- it is an option

 

it is an option, if you still have it installed right click on the taskbar, properties > start menu >  unselect "use the start menu instead of the start screen."

I was playing around with it yesterday and found it, it'll work like 8.1 at that point where there's still a start button but it takes you to start page.  

 

I was going to go back to it since I was lost when I installed it, I haven't used a start menu in like 3 years lol, I was flicking around the desktop for the charm bar.  

Quote:Windows 10 is an attempt to satisfy people who prefer to use a mouse and keyboard than a touch screen. They invented Windows 8 to give people with mobile devices a nearly identical experience on laptop and desktop PCs. Of course people who never had such things complained it was not mouse-friendly, so Microsoft created a way to make the software better for them.

 

Windows 8 was Microsoft's attempt to get into the mobile market.  I actually liked the fact that they did something different on the desktop.  But the execution was bad.  I don't think Windows 10 really matters to me.  In the limited time I've used Windows 8, I always did a keyboard search to load anything, and typically avoided all their software and interface elements just to get to the program I wanted to use.  I don't really care about the start screen/menu, but it would be nice if I could get a taskbar suited for somebody with 20 to 40 windows open at a time.  

Quote:Windows 8 was Microsoft's attempt to get into the mobile market.  I actually liked the fact that they did something different on the desktop.  But the execution was bad.  I don't think Windows 10 really matters to me.  In the limited time I've used Windows 8, I always did a keyboard search to load anything, and typically avoided all their software and interface elements just to get to the program I wanted to use.  I don't really care about the start screen/menu, but it would be nice if I could get a taskbar suited for somebody with 20 to 40 windows open at a time.  

 

Windows 10 might not be as irrelevant to you as you think. If you aren't using all 20-40 windows for the same task you can separate them into separate "desktops". It also makes quadrant snapping a thing which will be nice for anyone that uses a bunch of programs simultaneously. I haven't had the chance to work with it yet, so I don't know exactly how it handles such a load, but it's something to look into.

Quote:Windows 10 might not be as irrelevant to you as you think. If you aren't using all 20-40 windows for the same task you can separate them into separate "desktops". It also makes quadrant snapping a thing which will be nice for anyone that uses a bunch of programs simultaneously. I haven't had the chance to work with it yet, so I don't know exactly how it handles such a load, but it's something to look into.

 

I've heard about this.  When I get a new laptop it's likely to have Windows 10 so that would be nice.  Taskbar has been a huge issue for me with Windows.  I've tried every configuration.  For the longest time I had it on the bottom of the screen, usually 3 or 4 rows high with autohide, but ultimately it was just too inconsistent (It wouldn't always hide and wouldn't always show).  Plus it quickly became hard to even know what window you were clicking on.  Right now I have it at the left of the screen without autohide and small icon which seems to work the best.   I can read what every window is and select them easily.  But if you go over about 20 windows there is a scrollbar and hell breaks loose.  

 

I'm talking about Windows 7 by the way,  I don't even know how Window 8 handled this.  

Quote:it is an option, if you still have it installed right click on the taskbar, properties > start menu >  unselect "use the start menu instead of the start screen."

I was playing around with it yesterday and found it, it'll work like 8.1 at that point where there's still a start button but it takes you to start page.  

 

I was going to go back to it since I was lost when I installed it, I haven't used a start menu in like 3 years lol, I was flicking around the desktop for the charm bar.  

Yeah, I'm a fan of the Metro app stuff on a desktop, especially if you can resize them now. The little start menu feels so Windows 95 lol

 

Quote:Windows 10 might not be as irrelevant to you as you think. If you aren't using all 20-40 windows for the same task you can separate them into separate "desktops". It also makes quadrant snapping a thing which will be nice for anyone that uses a bunch of programs simultaneously. I haven't had the chance to work with it yet, so I don't know exactly how it handles such a load, but it's something to look into.

Separate desktops? That's the first I've heard of that. That has always been the one Mac thing I have drooled over.

Why would you want separate desktops?

Regardless of gender, race, or sexual orientation, your desktop will always be treated with the utmost fairness and respect.

 

There.  Is that new PC statement enough for your desktop? 

Negative. It's decision time. So everybody give me their final weigh-ins please!

 

Versatile, able to move from room-to-room, can be used to connect to the modem or whatever so my WIFI or internet stuff doesn't go down the drain. (Again, not tech savy folks).

A couple of user friendly apps (Netflix, Youtube, Hulu, etc)

HDMI Compatible for TV use from device (or..whatever)

Price range $700 - $1200.

 

Thanks

Quote:Negative. It's decision time. So everybody give me their final weigh-ins please!

 

Versatile, able to move from room-to-room, can be used to connect to the modem or whatever so my WIFI or internet stuff doesn't go down the drain. (Again, not tech savy folks).

A couple of user friendly apps (Netflix, Youtube, Hulu, etc)

HDMI Compatible for TV use from device (or..whatever)

Price range $700 - $1200.

 

Thanks

I got a refurbished iPad 3 with an otter box case for $250 off of eBay. Add a one-time cost of $30 for a chromecast to stream to your tv. You can do everything above for a fraction of what you are trying to pay.


This is the PC I'm going to build:


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CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($239.99 @ Newegg)

Motherboard: MSI Z97-G55 SLI ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($118.99 @ Newegg)

Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($82.98 @ OutletPC)

Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($53.99 @ Amazon)

Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 770 2GB TWIN FROZR Video Card ($259.99 @ NCIX US)

Case: Cooler Master N400 ATX Mid Tower Case ($54.99 @ Micro Center)

Power Supply: Corsair CX 600W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($64.99 @ Amazon)

Optical Drive: Pioneer BDC-207DBK Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($42.93 @ OutletPC)

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($98.99 @ SuperBiiz)

Case Fan: Cooler Master R4-L4S-10AB-GP 60.9 CFM 140mm Fan ($8.77 @ OutletPC)

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You don't need all that tho. It's not mobile and it's for gaming, so it has lot more power than you need.


Just get a tablet. iPads are the best obviously.

I agree it sounds a lot like you want a tablet or chromebook + chromecast based on your requirements which would cost you more in the 200-400 range at least for Android based stuff.  I'd stick with Android/Google if your phone is Android.  The WIFI thing isn't an issue.  If you want a full laptop, you probably could find one with an intel i7 and maybe even an NVIDIA card for that range.  But for what you're doing I doubt you will notice much difference from a laptop in the $300-$500 range. In fact you could probably get a Windows laptop + an android tablet for less than your price range. If you want to go Apple, I don't know much about that other than it'll cost more.  I also never buy refurbished so I don't know much about that either.

Quote:I agree it sounds a lot like you want a tablet or chromebook + chromecast based on your requirements which would cost you more in the 200-400 range at least for Android based stuff.  I'd stick with Android/Google if your phone is Android.  The WIFI thing isn't an issue.  If you want a full laptop, you probably could find one with an intel i7 and maybe even an NVIDIA card for that range.  But for what you're doing I doubt you will notice much difference from a laptop in the $300-$500 range. In fact you could probably get a Windows laptop + an android tablet for less than your price range. If you want to go Apple, I don't know much about that other than it'll cost more.  I also never buy refurbished so I don't know much about that either.

It doesn't matter what type phone you have. I have an iPhone and iPad but they have no relations. iPhone is iPod and phone. iPad is for media consumption. I actually have some great games on it too like FTL and Xcom.

Quote:It doesn't matter what type phone you have. I have an iPhone and iPad but they have no relations. iPhone is iPod and phone. iPad is for media consumption. I actually have some great games on it too like FTL and Xcom.

I'm not even sure what you are saying or what I said that was confusing. I stand by my suggestion that if you are using an android phone it makes sense to stick with the same platform when getting a tablet.