Quote:a rookie qb who doesnt hold onto the ball long and is 100x more mobile than that walrus we call a qb
A rookie QB who has to line up with two rookie WRs, a rookie TE, a rookie C, a rookie RG, and a rookie RT?
No. Keep Henne in there for now. I do NOT want to throw Bortles out there with offensive linemen who can't block, and WRs who don't know the right route.
With all these injuries, tanking isn't going to be voluntary.
Our entire offense looked better in preseason. It was preseason... Yes Bortles looks like a stud but there's no way they keep him on the bench if they thought it was not the best decision. Their jobs are affected here too. No one is tanking anything.
I thought we were gonna get out tanked by tampa, but smith put glennon in. so maybe not.
Quote:and i believe every other coach in the league would have made the switch by now..
Well, 3 Super Bowl winning HCs have already said that they would play Bortles. I don't think we are tanking though. NFL teams don't tank.
This team would probably be playing better if they were tanking..
Quote:Well, 3 Super Bowl winning HCs have already said that they would play Bortles. I don't think we are tanking though. NFL teams don't tank.
Their opinion is about as relevant as yours or mine.
Lovie Smith ruined his team's season just like Gus ruined his by playing a back up quarterback at the beginning of the season expecting good results. They'll both get what they deserve in the long run.
Quote:Well, 3 Super Bowl winning HCs have already said that they would play Bortles. I don't think we are tanking though. NFL teams don't tank.
Always easier to say that looking from the outside. None of those guys have anything invested in this team.
If we get the first overall pick, take the king's ransom for Mariota and build around Bortles
Quote:Agreed.
The difference between Bortles and the rest of the rookies is those other guys didn't throw for 500+ yards and 10+ YPA in the preseason.
They also didn't have anyone as bad as Henne starting ahead of them.
Bortles blew the field away.
Half the D he was playing against aren't even on rosters anymore. How many D packages did the opposition put out there? Blitzes? You think it changes when games actually count??
Preseason is garbage. Its a cash cow for owners and evaluation time for coaches. Judging any team or player results in these exhibition/evaluation games is for newbies to the NFL world.
Quote:If we get the first overall pick, take the king's ransom for Mariota and build around Bortles
It's sad that we're even having this discussion after two weeks, that first pick is looking like it will come down to the Jags, Raiders, or Bucs.
Quote:Half the D he was playing against aren't even on rosters anymore. How many D packages did the opposition put out there? Blitzes? You think it changes when games actually count??
Preseason is garbage. Its a cash cow for owners and evaluation time for coaches. Judging any team or player results in these exhibition/evaluation games is for newbies to the NFL world.
So why didn't Henne blow away the field in the preseason? It's not like he played every snap against starters, and even when he was playing against starters they weren't exactly giving it post-season effort.
Even against the Falcons when the line wasn't letting guys just come free at him Bortles excelled starting the game.
If you want to be willfully ignorant then that's your prerogative, but we've seen a lot of guys play in the preseason, and you can tell an elite QB even in the preseason. An elite QB is the guy making the "not even on rosters anymore" guys look bad because that's what great players do against inferior opponents.
Again using your logic Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, and Andy Dalton should have never started. Their teams wouldn't have made the playoffs.
Quote:So why didn't Henne blow away the field in the preseason? It's not like he played every snap against starters, and even when he was playing against starters they weren't exactly giving it post-season effort.
Even against the Falcons when the line wasn't letting guys just come free at him Bortles excelled starting the game.
If you want to be willfully ignorant then that's your prerogative, but we've seen a lot of guys play in the preseason, and you can tell an elite QB even in the preseason. An elite QB is the guy making the "not even on rosters anymore" guys look bad because that's what great players do against inferior opponents.
Unless you're in the meetings during the preseason to know what the focus of the play calling will be for any preseason game, you have no idea what they were working on with either player out there on the field. One thing we do know is that they didn't really game plan for these games beyond a minimal bit of scripting for the 3rd game.
You act like Atlanta trotted out their starting defense AND their entire defensive playbook in that 4th game. That wasn't the case. Bortles did face the first team defense, but they weren't throwing anything at him that was even remotely close to what he'd expect to see for a regular season game.
Tony Boselli was just talking about that this morning saying anyone who is using preseason performance as the end all for determining how ready a player is doesn't really have a clue what they're watching. That's a guy who played in the league at a very high level who is saying that preseason performances are nice, but they're not necessarily indicative of what you should expect when the games count.
Tony thinks the team should move to start Bortles sooner rather than later, but he said that it's not based on what he did in the preseason. He also said that as a player, he completely understands the approach they're taking, and appreciates the fact that this staff is trying to look out for a player and allow him to develop instead of just throwing him to the wolves. Pardon me if I take his opinion of practice games performance with a little more regard than, well, yours.
Quote:Again using your logic Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, and Andy Dalton should have never started. Their teams wouldn't have made the playoffs.
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Quote:Unless you're in the meetings during the preseason to know what the focus of the play calling will be for any preseason game, you have no idea what they were working on with either player out there on the field. One thing we do know is that they didn't really game plan for these games beyond a minimal bit of scripting for the 3rd game.
You act like Atlanta trotted out their starting defense AND their entire defensive playbook in that 4th game. That wasn't the case. Bortles did face the first team defense, but they weren't throwing anything at him that was even remotely close to what he'd expect to see for a regular season game.
Tony Boselli was just talking about that this morning saying anyone who is using preseason performance as the end all for determining how ready a player is doesn't really have a clue what they're watching. That's a guy who played in the league at a very high level who is saying that preseason performances are nice, but they're not necessarily indicative of what you should expect when the games count.
Tony thinks the team should move to start Bortles sooner rather than later, but he said that it's not based on what he did in the preseason. He also said that as a player, he completely understands the approach they're taking, and appreciates the fact that this staff is trying to look out for a player instead of just throwing him to the wolves. Pardon me if I take his opinion of practice games performance with a little more regard than, well, yours.
The first point is true, but pretty irrelevant. We don't know what they were focusing on, but we do know that guys run patterns down the field on practically every play. Henne constantly goes to the checkdown not because the coaching staff thinks he needs more practice doing what he's done his entire career, he constantly goes to the checkdown because that's how he plays.
The rest of your post was already addressed by me. No team plays in the preseason like they're going to play in the regular season. Henne faced vanilla just like Bortles did. The difference is that Bortles clearly sees the field and has a desire to always attack the furthest downfield that he can while Henne is only capable of the opposite.
Like I said, Bortles did what is expect of an elite talent in the preseason (made everyone on the other team look outplayed) while Henne did what is expected of a backup QB talent during the preseason and every other game in his career and made the other team look good.
Quote:Their opinion is about as relevant as yours or mine.
Thats actually not true at all.... Good try though.
Quote:The first point is true, but pretty irrelevant. We don't know what they were focusing on, but we do know that guys run patterns down the field on practically every play. Henne constantly goes to the checkdown not because the coaching staff thinks he needs more practice doing what he's done his entire career, he constantly goes to the checkdown because that's how he plays.
The rest of your post was already addressed by me. No team plays in the preseason like they're going to play in the regular season. Henne faced vanilla just like Bortles did. The difference is that Bortles clearly sees the field and has a desire to always attack the furthest downfield that he can while Henne is only capable of the opposite.
Like I said, Bortles did what is expect of an elite talent in the preseason (made everyone on the other team look outplayed) while Henne did what is expected of a backup QB talent during the preseason and every other game in his career and made the other team look good.
Yep, there's no doubt that BB made everyone else around him better, that's not a surprise considering his draft status.