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Quote:The first point is true, but pretty irrelevant. We don't know what they were focusing on, but we do know that guys run patterns down the field on practically every play. Henne constantly goes to the checkdown not because the coaching staff thinks he needs more practice doing what he's done his entire career, he constantly goes to the checkdown because that's how he plays.

 

The rest of your post was already addressed by me. No team plays in the preseason like they're going to play in the regular season. Henne faced vanilla just like Bortles did. The difference is that Bortles clearly sees the field and has a desire to always attack the furthest downfield that he can while Henne is only capable of the opposite.

 

Like I said, Bortles did what is expect of an elite talent in the preseason (made everyone on the other team look outplayed) while Henne did what is expected of a backup QB talent during the preseason and every other game in his career and made the other team look good.

Nah man when Bortles played in the preseason it was vanilla defenses he was going against, but with Henne it was exoctic schemes he was seeing. And we were working on situational check downs with him against all first teamers.

Quote: Henne constantly goes to the checkdown not because the coaching staff thinks he needs more practice doing what he's done his entire career, he constantly goes to the checkdown because that's how he plays.

 

 

 Henne threw 8 of his 28 attempts deep vs the redskins.   Is that constantly checking down?  

 

Hint at my meaning:  Everyone knows how you feel about Henne. You really don't have to go on and on hyperbolizing his deficiencies all over the board. We don't like him either. 

Quote: Henne threw 8 of his 28 attempts deep vs the redskins.   Is that constantly checking down?  

 

Hint at my meaning:  Everyone knows how you feel about Henne. You really don't have to go on and on hyperbolizing his deficiencies all over the board. We don't like him either. 

 

"HEY EVERYONE, THE COACHES TOLD HIM TO THROW IT DEEP MORE OFTEN, AND HE DID IT THIS WEEK, THAT PROVES HE DOESN'T THROW THE CHECKDOWN WAY TOO MUCH, DOESN'T IT?!?!?"

Quote:Unless you're in the meetings during the preseason to know what the focus of the play calling will be for any preseason game, you have no idea what they were working on with either player out there on the field.  One thing we do know is that they didn't really game plan for these games beyond a minimal bit of scripting for the 3rd game. 

 

You act like Atlanta trotted out their starting defense AND their entire defensive playbook in that 4th game.  That wasn't the case.  Bortles did face the first team defense, but they weren't throwing anything at him that was even remotely close to what he'd expect to see for a regular season game. 

 

Tony Boselli was just talking about that this morning saying anyone who is using preseason performance as the end all for determining how ready a player is doesn't really have a clue what they're watching.  That's a guy who played in the league at a very high level who is saying that preseason performances are nice, but they're not necessarily indicative of what you should expect when the games count. 

 

Tony thinks the team should move to start Bortles sooner rather than later, but he said that it's not based on what he did in the preseason.  He also said that as a player, he completely understands the approach they're taking, and appreciates the fact that this staff is trying to look out for a player and allow him to develop instead of just throwing him to the wolves.  Pardon me if I take his opinion of practice games performance with a little more regard than, well, yours. 

 

First off, you still didn't address the play of Henne during the preseason. If the preseason is so much different, then why did preseason Henne look as pathetic as regular season Henne? Bortles preseason play is not indicative, but Henne's is? Riiiight!


 

Secondly, I think Allen Hurns proves that preseason performance does indeed give an indication of which players are better. In the other direction, ask Mike Brewster whether or not the preseason matters.


 

If it's a matter of getting Bortles new mechanics to become second nature before throwing him in, then it make sense to keep him on the bench. But in that case he shouldn't be the backup, since it would screw up his mechanics if Henne was injured.

Quote: Henne threw 8 of his 28 attempts deep vs the redskins.   Is that constantly checking down?  

 

Hint at my meaning:  Everyone knows how you feel about Henne. You really don't have to go on and on hyperbolizing his deficiencies all over the board. We don't like him either. 

Quote:We're rebuilding and he needs to develop. Henne is probably the best QB to play right now and it shows in these past 2 games. Almost every fan is happy about it, and we're all enjoying the season so far. It's a 7 year process man, you just gotta hang in there for another 6 years before we're ready to compete. I don't know why you expect so much out of the team so soon.

 

ROFLMAO!


As a side note, it's a good thing the Jags never went after Tebow. He would have ruined all the enjoyment of watching the Jags these last three years.

Quote:ROFLMAO!


As a side note, it's a good thing the Jags never went after Tebow. He would have ruined all the enjoyment of watching the Jags these last three years.

 

Here we go.

Quote:"HEY EVERYONE, THE COACHES TOLD HIM TO THROW IT DEEP MORE OFTEN, AND HE DID IT THIS WEEK, THAT PROVES HE DOESN'T THROW THE CHECKDOWN WAY TOO MUCH, DOESN'T IT?!?!?"

 

LOL. Don't get all worked up, Skippy.  Just pointing out the fallacy of your hyperbole. How do you not get tired of blathering on about how bad Henne is?  It's getting to the point of obsessive behavior.  Especially when 90% of the board wants Bortles to start this week anyway. 

Quote:LOL. Don't get all worked up, Skippy.  Just pointing out the fallacy of your hyperbole. How do you not get tired of blathering on about how bad Henne is?  It's getting to the point of obsessive behavior.  Especially when 90% of the board want Bortles to start this week anyway. 

 

No, you pointed out something that didn't have any bearing on my point, which is that Henne throws it short a lot because that's the kind of QB he is. If the coach isn't right behind him saying throw it down the field he's more apt to throw the checkdown.

This has all the looks of a coordinated tank by Gus and Dave. Don't know who they like so much in this draft or it's buying more years from not being fired but they have a reason for it. Nobody starts all these rookies and street free agents like we do and say they're playing to win. Give these gullible fans some scoreboards and a baby pool and they'll eat every lie we throw their way.

Quote:First off, you still didn't address the play of Henne during the preseason. If the preseason is so much different, then why did preseason Henne look as pathetic as regular season Henne? Bortles preseason play is not indicative, but Henne's is? Riiiight!


Secondly, I think Allen Hurns proves that preseason performance does indeed give an indication of which players are better. In the other direction, ask Mike Brewster whether or not the preseason matters.


If it's a matter of getting Bortles new mechanics to become second nature before throwing him in, then it make sense to keep him on the bench. But in that case he shouldn't be the backup, since it would screw up his mechanics if Henne was injured.

Yeah, the whole vanilla preseason thing for Bortles is a weak argument since Henne faced the same vanilla D's. Bortles also outplayed Henne in the scrimmage.

Quote:No, you pointed out something that didn't have any bearing on my point, which is that Henne throws it short a lot because that's the kind of QB he is. If the coach isn't right behind him saying throw it down the field he's more apt to throw the checkdown.

Ok.  I'll try to refrain from pointing out the flaws in your obsessive Henne rants from now on, since you obviously are very serious about it. 

 

Yes the coaches asked him to look downfield more.  He threw it deep around 16% of the time in week one and around 27% in week two. 

Whatever.  Like I said  - it seems very odd that you keep railing against a guy that nearly everyone doesn't want to be our starter anyway. 

Quote:I saw one sack where Henne dropped one step, pump faked and was hit. Another he had a five step drop and didn't even have time to step up properly before having two defenders hit him. That's not holding the ball, that's horrible blocking and a rookie QB isn't going to magically fix the O-line.

And I also saw plays where Washington showed blitz and Henne never audibled or pointed it out. He just hiked the ball. Also saw him hold on the ball way too long on a few other plays. So what's your point? If Bortles audibles out like he did in preseason and gets the ball out quicker then yeah, magically the oline will look better.

Quote:Ok.  I'll try to refrain from pointing out the flaws in your obsessive Henne rants from now on, since you obviously are very serious about it. 

 

Yes the coaches asked him to look downfield more.  He threw it deep around 16% of the time in week one and around 27% in week two. 

Whatever.  Like I said  - it seems very odd that you keep railing against a guy that nearly everyone doesn't want to be our starter anyway. 

Bingo. Maybe he still likes Gabbert....

Quote:Ok.  I'll try to refrain from pointing out the flaws in your obsessive Henne rants from now on, since you obviously are very serious about it. 

 

Yes the coaches asked him to look downfield more.  He threw it deep around 16% of the time in week one and around 27% in week two. 

Whatever.  Like I said  - it seems very odd that you keep railing against a guy that nearly everyone doesn't want to be our starter anyway. 

 

I think it's odd that you are cataloging my posts to the point where you think I'm "railing" against Henne any more than any other fan that recognizes Bortles should be in the game is.

Tanking in my opinion isn't a good idea especially early in the season. With that said I can't deny the logic of wanting the highest draft pick possible for a few years to build you team for the long haul.

Quote:This has all the looks of a coordinated tank by Gus and Dave. Don't know who they like so much in this draft or it's buying more years from not being fired but they have a reason for it. Nobody starts all these rookies and street free agents like we do and say they're playing to win. Give these gullible fans some scoreboards and a baby pool and they'll eat every lie we throw their way.

Yes, because losing seasons always buy you more years from being fired.

Quote:Tanking in my opinion isn't a good idea especially early in the season. With that said I can't deny the logic of wanting the highest draft pick possible for a few years to build you team for the long haul.

Tanking is nearly impossible in the NFL

Quote:I think it's odd that you are cataloging my posts to the point where you think I'm "railing" against Henne any more than any other fan that recognizes Bortles should be in the game is.

 

Oh, man.

Quote:I think it's odd that you are cataloging my posts to the point where you think I'm "railing" against Henne any more than any other fan that recognizes Bortles should be in the game is.

The only things I've ever seen you post were how Gabbert was not the problem and Henne is. Must be a relative or something.