Quote:Apologist? You mean - not stupid?
I'm sure you are much more of a football expert than Bradley and his staff (you mean he still hasn't called you?) but what does it tell you that they still went to Gerhart, sore ankle and all, rather than Robinson or Todman?
Well it tells me that they're not as perfect as the homers portray them to be. The zone blocking scheme deserves a scat back that's agile and can make cuts, not a downhill runner that's practically a goal line back. But what do I know, Bradley has yet to call me up.
Quote:Well it tells me that they're not as perfect as the homers portray them to be. The zone blocking scheme deserves a scat back that's agile and can make cuts, not a downhill runner that's practically a goal line back. But what do I know, Bradley has yet to call me up.
ZBS will be just fine with TG, it needs a one-cut back and Gerhart does that well.
Quote:You guys will make excuses for anything. you'll see what I'm saying when we're 8 games in and the dude still hasnt had a game with over 60 yards
Would you like to make a bet?
Quote:While Gerhart was pretty unimpressive last week, it was one game. Let's see how he looks by week 4... Alot will do with how the coaches utilize him and how will the O-line continues to improve.
But I think it may be a bit early for us to give up on him. As NYCJags says, Denard Robinson should get more touches. I think using a 2 back system with Gerhart up the middle and D-Rob for his speed is a nice combo.
The way Detriot uses their 2 backs should be someething we hopefully move towards. They have Bush for his quickness, then they got this other back (can't remember his name) to pound the ball up the middle. I think we could have something like that with our guys.
And also, in defense of Gerhart, he did have a couple good bruising runs on Sunday. Not as many as we'd like, of course. And in 3rd and short, we were ineffective. But still, it's early in the season AND we have instability at O-Line. There's alot that has to get better.
Let's give Gerhart a few more looks before we look for the highest place to jump from.
The other Lions RB you are referring to is Joique Bell, who received a slightly less valued contract as a RFA than Toby Gerhart did as an UFA.
Here's my two cents on what you mentioned:
The Jaguars brass likely wants a speed/ quickness RB in tandem with Toby Gerhart. The reason why I don't believe this has truly happened yet is Denard Robinson is still in the developmental stage. Two seasons ago, he was playing QB with Michigan. If Robinson's knowledge, techniques, and instincts at RB catch up to his physical skills, he could very realistically be a long time solution as part of a 1-2 RB punch. If not, the Jaguars will look for someone else that can fill this role.
Quote:The other Lions RB you are referring to is Joique Bell, who received a slightly less valued contract as a RFA than Toby Gerhart did as an UFA.
Here's my two cents on what you mentioned:
The Jaguars brass likely wants a speed/ quickness RB in tandem with Toby Gerhart. The reason why I don't believe this has truly happened yet is Denard Robinson is still in the developmental stage. Two seasons ago, he was playing QB with Michigan. If Robinson's knowledge, techniques, and instincts at RB catch up to his physical skills, he could very realistically be a long time solution as part of a 1-2 RB punch. If not, the Jaguars will look for someone else that can fill this role.
I think the only thing holding D-Rob back at this point is his blocking, which makes sense because that's the one skill that he's got the least experience with. Once he gets the technique and blitz pick up skills I think we'll see him splitting plays with TG.
Quote:Well it tells me that they're not as perfect as the homers portray them to be. The zone blocking scheme deserves a scat back that's agile and can make cuts, not a downhill runner that's practically a goal line back. But what do I know, Bradley has yet to call me up.
Scatbacks like 6'1 227 pound Arian Foster?
Quote:Scatbacks like 6'1 227 pound Arian Foster?
Foster is the exception to the rule...you know what I mean.
And to other poster, Gerhart has no cutting ability whatsoever...did you even watch the game?
Quote:I think the only thing holding D-Rob back at this point is his blocking, which makes sense because that's the one skill that he's got the least experience with. Once he gets the technique and blitz pick up skills I think we'll see him splitting plays with TG.
For most young RB's, blitz pickup is their greatest obstacle early in their careers. It's especially natural for this to be the case for Denard Robinson, who never had to pick up a blitz when playing QB in college.
A related note. During one of the St. Louis Rams pre-season telecasts, the Rams TV announcers were discussing that rookie RB Tre Mason was having trouble with blitz pickup in training camp. Despite the Rams less than stellar other RB's on their roster, Mason was on the Game Day Inactive list for Game # 1 vs. Minnesota. Most likely, this was blitz pickup related. The Rams are in such a dire situation on Offense that they might have to find a way to get some use out of Mason in the coming weeks. But a player that's currently a liability in picking up blitzes limits the amount of ways you can use him in the backfield.
Quote:Foster is the exception to the rule...you know what I mean.
And to other poster, Gerhart has no cutting ability whatsoever...did you even watch the game?
No he isn't. Ever heard of Mike Anderson (6'0 230), Reuben Droughns (5'11 220), Olandis Gary (5'11 220)? The Broncos used this scheme and plugged and played guys who were anything but scatbacks.
Do the Seahawks consider Lynch, Turbin and Michael to be "scatbacks"? Or are there that many exceptions? lol
Quote:Foster is the exception to the rule...you know what I mean.
And to other poster, Gerhart has no cutting ability whatsoever...did you even watch the game?
Most backs in the zone blocking scheme are bigger backs with power and good vision, Arian Foster, Alfred Morris, Marshawn Lynch, Leveon Bell, Terrell Davis (and almost every other Bronco back under Mike S.) etc.., that scheme favors bigger-less elusive backs as it's one cut and go. If it's blocked well up front you allow that bigger/power back to impose their will on the second and hopefully third level of the opposing defense.
Quote:Do the Seahawks consider Lynch, Turbin and Michael to be "scatbacks"? Or are there that many exceptions? lol
He honestly has no idea what he's talking about.
Quote:He honestly has no idea what he's talking about.
Clearly
To the Gerhart doubters/haters... In your opinion, what would his end of year numbers need to look for him to be considered not a "bust"?
Something tells me, he will get better as the line and year progresses.
Quote:No he isn't. Ever heard of Mike Anderson (6'0 230), Reuben Droughns (5'11 220), Olandis Gary (5'11 220)? The Broncos used this scheme and plugged and played guys who were anything but scatbacks.
I might of worded that incorrectly, in this day and age of the NFL. I like how you posted those three year career scrubs as your shining examples from the dynasty years of Elway's team...good job buddy!
JaG4LyFe,
I'm not trying to be rude, but the issue has nothing to with TG or any of the other Jaguars backs, we simply don't have the athleticism on the offensive line to effective run the ZBS, and lack the brute strength up front to run a power scheme. There is an issue up front (particularly the middle and right side of the line) with talent.
Quote:I might of worded that incorrectly, in this day and age of the NFL. I like how you posted those three year career scrubs as your shining examples from the dynasty years of Elway's team...good job buddy!
Dynasty years of Elway's team? Elway played with none of those guys. He retired in 1998. Those guys were only 10-12 years ago. Even so, the Seahawks are an example now. No matter how you slice it, you are clueless.
Quote:I might of worded that incorrectly, in this day and age of the NFL. I like how you posted those three year career scrubs as your shining examples from the dynasty years of Elway's team...good job buddy!
Those 3 scrubs were incredibly effective in that system; it just proves if you the personnel to run the ZBS on the offensive line you can almost put anyone back there, you want a bigger back for obvious reasons.
Quote:Well it tells me that they're not as perfect as the homers portray them to be. The zone blocking scheme deserves a scat back that's agile and can make cuts, not a downhill runner that's practically a goal line back. But what do I know, Bradley has yet to call me up.
Scat backs have a tendency to dance around too much, why do you think the Buffalo Bills run Fred Jackson more than CJ Spiller? You want a decisive back with good vision and power, again, the goal is to get that power back to the second and third level of a defensive as quickly as possible. From there they usually run over guys and pick up YAC (yards after contact). Go watch Marshawn Lynch's 13-15 yd TD run against the Packers last week, you'll see what I'm talking about, once he got to the second/third level no one wanted to tackle him.
He is a little too slow. Is what it is.
His quickness is not even close to the likes of Marshawn Lynch.