Quote:He's not auditioning for the combines. He's playing football. He got 3 sacks in the NFL in his only games. Only 3 other players got more than him in the entire league. You're talking about maybe 150 defensive ends in the league and only 3 beat him in sacks! Good grief. He was the SEC co-defensive player of the year, supposedly the best conference in the country, against the best talent going to the NFL. It's absurd to think he's not NFL caliber when guys like David Bass from Missouri Western State, or Mario Addison from Troy, make a roster but the gay guy does not.
Regards...................the Chiefjag
Chief, you wouldn't be touting those sacks if you actually saw them.
Why can't you accept that perhaps he just isn't quite good enough? Which is what folks were saying before his announcement. It had no bearing.
Quote:Chief, you wouldn't be touting those sacks if you actually saw them.
Why can't you accept that perhaps he just isn't quite good enough? Which is what folks were saying before his announcement. It had no bearing.
What are you saying? That 4th quarter preseason sacks against backups aren't the only criteria in evaluating players?
You surely can't be saying that size, speed, and strength are important..... that is silly.
I think Sam could be a half-decent rotational guy if he gets stronger and develops his technique.
Just talking about this from a pure football standpoint in this reply, Michael Sam is a high effort player. That 's something Defensive Coordinator Rod Marinelli puts VERY high on his priority list for players that he coaches. While the decision to bring in Michael Sam clearly starts with Jerry Jones, my guess is Rod Marinelli is more than comfortable with the decision.
Quote:Just talking about this from a pure football standpoint in this reply, Michael Sam is a high effort player. That 's something Defensive Coordinator Rod Marinelli puts VERY high on his priority list for players that he coaches. While the decision to bring in Michael Sam clearly starts with Jerry Jones, my guess is Rod Marinelli is more than comfortable with the decision.
I wonder how different the Michael Sam situation would be hadn't he has such a horrible workout at the combine.
Quote:I wonder how different the Michael Sam situation would be hadn't he has such a horrible workout at the combine.
Likely noticeably different. The same with Teddy Bridgewater's situation if he didn't have a horrible Pro Day.
Michael Sam's Combine workout cemented him as a late round pick or an UDRFA. Bridgewater's Pro Day not only took him out of the top 10 but it took the Vikings to trade up to the last pick of Round 1 to keep him from falling out of the 1st Round altogether. These workouts often have major ramifications when it comes to the spot a player lands in the draft.
Quote:So wait... where's the LGBT Mafia attacking the Rams for cutting Sam that we heard so much about?
You haven't heard or seen them yet? They are very loud...inside the paranoid heads of those who kept arguing that for those who REALLY care about what Sam was doing...*gasp* this ISN'T about football.
There wasn't an outcry when Collins didn't play as a Net. There wasn't an outcry when Collins wasn't brought back by the Nets. There is no difference here. While the mainstream media will try and play this story out and those who were against Sam will continue to eat it up, those who supported Sam get what he's doing.
Quote:Undersized, weak, and slow. Does that sound like the recipe for success for an NFL Defensive End? I don't.
At the combine, Micahel Sam put up 17 reps of 225.
At the combine, 7 Wide Receivers put up 18+ reps of 225.
Are there any rostered NFL defensive lineman that put up less than 18 reps of 225?
Damontre Moore
Dominated as a DE @ Texas A&M. Got TONS of hype not only as a 1st round DE, but a top 10 DE. Come draft time, he slipped to the 3rd round to the Giants. Here's his combine numbers:
6'5 240, 4.95 in the 40 yard dash, 12 reps in the bench press.
Quote:I feel bad for the kid. He deserved a shot, but he really wasn't helping himself with that reality show thing.
That sealed his fate, if he wanted to be treated normal (and he is normal), he shouldn't have tried to benefit from being normal.
He is normal.
Now headed to Dallas ... Be normal Michael, that is all. AND stay the hell away from the media that wants you treated different, you ARE NOT.
I'm actually thinking pretty much the same thing.
This is a chance to reboot now that the circus has left town. Of course, he's going to the Ringling Brothers of the NFL so we'll see how that goes.
Quote:Damontre Moore
Dominated as a DE @ Texas A&M. Got TONS of hype not only as a 1st round DE, but a top 10 DE. Come draft time, he slipped to the 3rd round to the Giants. Here's his combine numbers:
6'5 240, 4.95 in the 40 yard dash, 12 reps in the bench press.
Moore tweaked his hamstring at the combine which explained the poor 40 time. He upped his bench to 19 at his pro day (didn't re-run the 40, but posted good shuttle times).
Compare Moore's numbers to Sam's
Bench Press....
Moore 19, Sam 17
40 time... Moore 4.95,
Sam 4.91
Vert Jump...
Moore 35.5, Sam 25.5
Broad Jump...
Moore 122.0, Sam 114.0
3 cone drill...
Moore 7.05, Sam 7.80
20 yard shuttle...
Moore 4.31, Sam 4.70
Moore is superior to Sam in every workout category besides the one he was injured during. Further, Moore put up extremely good numbers (top 5 at the position) in both the the vertical jump and broad jump. A 10 inch difference in vertical in absolutely huge. Combine those 10" with the 2" difference in height and 2" difference in wingspan and you are talking 14 inches of "reach".
Even further, looking at the 2014 results......
Sam finished
22nd of 28 in the 40 yard dash.
20th of 20 in the 3 cone drill
(last)
22nd of 22 in the vertical jump
(last)
14th of 22 in the broad jump.
21st of 22nd in the bench press.
Combine that rotten showing of strength/speed/athleticism with his lack of size and it's pretty amazing the guy was even drafted.
Quote:You haven't heard or seen them yet? They are very loud...inside the paranoid heads of those who kept arguing that for those who REALLY care about what Sam was doing...*gasp* this ISN'T about football.
There wasn't an outcry when Collins didn't play as a Net. There wasn't an outcry when Collins wasn't brought back by the Nets. There is no difference here. While the mainstream media will try and play this story out and those who were against Sam will continue to eat it up, those who supported Sam get what he's doing.
For what it's worth, Jason Collins was signed to one or two 10 day contracts with the Brooklyn Nets. Most of the time, those are temporary roster moves, not ones in which a player is expected to be a key part ( or even close to a team. ). Coupling the fact that Collins will be 36 later this year and he's talked about retirement, I don't think most people realistically thought he would remain with Brooklyn for the full 2014-15 season.
I don't get why people care about who people like to sleep with in 2014.
Quote:So wait... where's the LGBT Mafia attacking the Rams for cutting Sam that we heard so much about?
Lol yeah I remember hearing all this backlash that was supposed to happen. Haven't seen it at all.
Quote:What are you saying? That 4th quarter preseason sacks against backups aren't the only criteria in evaluating players?
You surely can't be saying that size, speed, and strength are important..... that is silly.
Of course they are. But players have overcome that through the years. One thing Michael Sam has is a motor and he plays hard. I think he will end up on a practice squad. Maybe he will work his way up to starter maybe he wont. Nobody is out with pitch forks as many predicted. If he is good enough regardless of the outside attention he will land somewhere. If not, he wont.
What an interesting insight to the psyche of some board members.
Quote:For what it's worth, Jason Collins was signed to one or two 10 day contracts with the Brooklyn Nets. Most of the time, those are temporary roster moves, not ones in which a player is expected to be a key part ( or even close to a team. ). Coupling the fact that Collins will be 36 later this year and he's talked about retirement, I don't think most people realistically thought he would remain with Brooklyn for the full 2014-15 season.
The critics said the same thing when the Nets signed him. "Oh they can't cut him or else they'll get a backlash!" Yet, the only "rally" that actually occurred were those protesting the Nets signing Collins. His fans cheered when he played a minute of his first game...and that was really the last you heard from them.
Sure, Collins was old and likely wouldn't have gotten a contract if it not for his history with the Nets (and its then HC Jason Kidd, who valued Twin's bball IQ and post defense during their NBA finals run). But, as I've said time and time again...for those people...this wasn't about basketball.
I hope Sam turns out to be a star in the NFL.. More egg on Fisher's face, please..
Quote:Moore tweaked his hamstring at the combine which explained the poor 40 time. He upped his bench to 19 at his pro day (didn't re-run the 40, but posted good shuttle times).
Compare Moore's numbers to Sam's
Bench Press.... Moore 19, Sam 17
40 time... Moore 4.95, Sam 4.91
Vert Jump... Moore 35.5, Sam 25.5
Broad Jump... Moore 122.0, Sam 114.0
3 cone drill... Moore 7.05, Sam 7.80
20 yard shuttle... Moore 4.31, Sam 4.70
Moore is superior to Sam in every workout category besides the one he was injured during. Further, Moore put up extremely good numbers (top 5 at the position) in both the the vertical jump and broad jump. A 10 inch difference in vertical in absolutely huge. Combine those 10" with the 2" difference in height and 2" difference in wingspan and you are talking 14 inches of "reach".
Even further, looking at the 2014 results......
Sam finished
22nd of 28 in the 40 yard dash.
20th of 20 in the 3 cone drill (last)
22nd of 22 in the vertical jump (last)
14th of 22 in the broad jump.
21st of 22nd in the bench press.
Combine that rotten showing of strength/speed/athleticism with his lack of size and it's pretty amazing the guy was even drafted.
What does him tweaking a hamstring have anything to do with the 12 he put up in the bench press at the combine? You asked...
specifically how many DL bench less than 18 (which is an arbitrary number anyway). So Sam at 17 (one less than the number you randomly picked out) is "weak" but Moore at 19 is perfectly fine? Despite Moore having a much horrible showing in his first attempt at the combine?
There's a reason Moore went in the 3rd, and Sam went several rounds later. There is a difference in physical talent there. That doesn't mean Sam is undraftable, given that he did put up numbers in college, and did produce against 3rd stringers in the NFL preseason. There's been many other "camp invites" who won roster spots by producing against other 3rd stringers in the preseason. That's bottom of a weak roster or Practice Squad type performance. It's not like strength is the most difficult thing to develop in football anyway especially given the gap of training provided in the NFL compared to college.
But you asked a question, and I provided the answer.
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