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Quote:So you are saying in the end it was a good move to hire Gus, because it seemed like a good idea at the time?

 

The best decision today doesn't always seem that way in three years' time.

Quote:Ok, so because something seems like a good idea at the time, it means it can't be called out as a horse [BLEEP] idea in hindsight?

The results speak for themselves. You blathering on about how dumb Caldwell was in making these moves when I'll guarantee you weren't critical of them at the time simply highlights the fact that you haven't a clue what you're actually talking about in real time. You have to rely on hindsight to make what is honestly a weak case. I'm sure in your little world, it gives you some sense of validation to do so now. It's kind of like declaring water is wet after you've jumped in a pool. You've probably never had to make a decision in your life that requires time to play itself out.

Quote:So you are saying in the end it was a good move to hire Gus, because it seemed like a good idea at the time?

 

Not speaking for anyone here but myself (and the dozens of others who have made the point in numerous threads already) but -

 

The problem is more "keeping him too long" than hiring him in the first place. 

Quote:GM can't fire the coach without the owner's approval.

Says who??

Quote:The results speak for themselves. You blathering in about how dumb Caldwell was in making these moves when I'll guarantee you weren't critical of them at the time simply highlights the fact that you haven't a clue what you're actually talking about in real time. You have to rely on hindsight to make what is honestly a weak case. I'm sure in your little world, it gives you some sense of validation to do so now. It's kind of like declaring water is wet after you've jumped in a pool. You've probably never had to make a decision in your life that requires time to play itself out.

Lol, the funny thing is you aren't even capable of using hindsight. You defended the dope until like 2 months ago. So with 3.5 years of the worst play in NFL history, you still didn't have the sense to know Gus was a dud. It was almost as comical as when you defended Gene Smith until the bitter end, despite years of draft busts and lost seasons.

Quote:Says who??

If you forked over 1 billion dollars to purchase a team. You dont think your employee should tell you hes firing one of his employees? Without consent? This isnt Madden. This is a business. Theres steps you have to take in order to get things done. Theres a chain of command, like any business, thats how a business works. 

 

Also, Khan most likely told Caldwell to fire Bradley. 

Quote:Not speaking for anyone here but myself (and the dozens of others who have made the point in numerous threads already) but -

 

The problem is more "keeping him too long" than hiring him in the first place.

And that was Khan's call. He publicly said as much.

Quote:Gus was considered one of the hot coordinators ready to take the next step. We weren't the only team pursuing him at the time. Again, your ability to ignore facts in proper context has us all in awe.

Key word "coordinator". Does it make logical since to hire a unproven coach to begin a rebuild? Fellas let's not live in the past.. The future awaits us lol..

Quote:Says who??

Says any kind of basic organizational system. Says the owner after the first few games when he tells the press "I'm not going to fire the coach mid-season."

Quote:Not speaking for anyone here but myself (and the dozens of others who have made the point in numerous threads already) but -


The problem is more "keeping him too long" than hiring him in the first place.

I agree. I had zero problem with hiring Gus at the time, but after 2 years it was obvious Dave hired a dud. I can kind of understand giving him the 3rd year, but the 4th year was just ridiculous and ended up being a complete waste of a season.

Quote:Key word "coordinator". Does it make logical since to hire a unproven coach to begin a rebuild? Fellas let's not live in the past.. The future awaits us lol..

Tom Coughlin had never been a coordinator in the NFL when he was hired as the head coach. Jack Del Rio had been a coordinator for a single year when he was hired in 2003. So yes, it makes perfect sense to hire unproven coaches to begin a rebuild. 

Quote:Lol, the funny thing is you aren't even capable of using hindsight. You defended the dope until like 2 months ago. So with 3.5 years of the worst play in NFL history, you still didn't have the sense to know Gus was a dud. It was almost as comical as when you defended Gene Smith until the bitter end, despite years of draft busts and lost seasons.

I'm capable of using hindsight. I'm just smart enough to know not to judge things until they are allowed to play themselves out. Everything appeared to be poised for a successful 2016 season. It didn't happen.


It's idiotic to keep saying we've had 3 1/2 years of the worst play in NFL history. The offense set multiple franchise records last year. This season, the defense has been ranked in the top 10 most of the year, and we've seen more records set. To ignore that shows a complete reliance on pure ignorance on your part.

Quote:Says any kind of basic organizational system. Says the owner after the first few games when he tells the press "I'm not going to fire the coach mid-season."

Every organization isn't run the same.. Besides we resigned Gus to another year and still fired him.. So words really mean nothing when it comes to the business aspect..

Quote:Key word "coordinator". Does it make logical since to hire a unproven coach to begin a rebuild? Fellas let's not live in the past.. The future awaits us lol..

Logical since? Since when?


They didn't have a lot of options four years ago. Gus was on the same trajectory as Chip Kelly. Andy Reid was the most viable option, but he wasn't coming here.

Quote:Every organization isn't run the same.. Besides we resigned Gus to another year and still fired him.. So words really mean nothing when it comes to the business aspect..

Thats not how a business operates. Your talking about a multi billion dollar business with owners worth billions of dollars, at the end of the day, the owner who forked out the money is going to have the final say in any organizational decision. 

 

I dont think you understand how businesses operate. An employee isnt going to go around firing people without the CEO/Owner being atleast aware of it. 

I don't see a good reason to keep him tbh

Quote:Tom Coughlin had never been a coordinator in the NFL when he was hired as the head coach. Jack Del Rio had been a coordinator for a single year when he was hired in 2003. So yes, it makes perfect sense to hire unproven coaches to begin a rebuild.

Hiring unproven coordinators seems to have worked for lots of teams in the past. Even teams that are rebuilding.

Quote:Dave drafted Bortles, paid toby/ivory and failed to fire gus. Dave's a bum.

fact

Quote:This is Bull [BAD WORD REMOVED] to place the blame on Caldwell. I swear that some fans has no clue other than to enhance their own "Personal Opinions"...


The talent is in Effect to which Dave has implemented to say the least. He's drafted properly within his first three years because during his first year he had to depend upon Smith's scouting staff...


NH3...

 

why wouldn't the blame be on him? he's responsible for the HC which EVERYONE hated....and he drafted our "franchise" QB....HE is the one that gets the personnel on the roster? or am I missing something

Quote:Times like these are when the TWABS (Trolls Without A Brain) come out of the woodwork. The OP is a prime example. Never around when things are going well. Never willing to actually provide anything substantial to back their position.

 

Those who have been around a while remember TMD. He was actually one who would back up his stance and debate his position. The TWABS don't have the capacity to do that. They just do a driveby troll job and move on to the next one.

 

They are not worth the time nor response of any respectable poster.

I'm ALWAYS here. you'd have to define "things going well" to be able to back up your statement though. not worth your time...but...YOU replied. lol. #GreatLogic