Quote:We shall see
Yea we will see, but blatant facts are far and away more telling than blind hope.
And the facts are that Romo's career is all but over. Sadly, because he was a very good QB on awful teams during his peak.
Back injuries are flat out nothing to play with though.
Quote:Doesn't matter. Still looked sharp. He will lead Denver to the Super Bowl next season.
As brittle as he has become, that will be an impressive feat from the IR.
In the clips I saw from yesterday, Romo still shows a live arm.
However, he has always had the propensity to throw the mind numbingly Garrardian interception, and that was before he became more fragile than the leg lamp from Christmas Story and turned 37 years old.
Quote:I vividly remember this being said by many after Del Rio was fired..those were the days.
And to be fair, JDR was working with a less talented roster and was still able to garner multitudes more wins than sad Gus.
Quote:And to be fair, JDR was working with a less talented roster and was still able to garner multitudes more wins than sad Gus.
Yes.
At the end of his tenure here, JDR was working with a less talented roster than Gus had his last year here.
Quote:Yes.
At the end of his tenure here, JDR was working with a less talented roster than Gus had his last year here.
Not to mention Gus had the division situation and schedule difficulty break heavily in his favor with even the only guy thought of as a decent quarterback, Luck, regressing badly.
The 2015 season was particularly galling as the division was there for the taking but the Jaguars couldn't get out of their own way as a team.
Quote:Not to mention Gus had the division situation and schedule difficulty break heavily in his favor with even the only guy thought of as a decent quarterback, Luck, regressing badly.
The 2015 season was particularly galling as the division was there for the taking but the Jaguars couldn't get out of their own way as a team.
You could make the argument that the team had not sufficiently matured to take the division at that time.
I can recall Dallas under the Jimmy Johnson era. Their first year, they finished 1-15. They made a huge jump to 7-9 in year two, but were only 6-5 after eleven games in year three before inserting four rookies into the starting lineup and then winning 5 straight to reach the playoffs with Steve Beuerlein leading the way. Sometimes it can take a young team a while to get their legs under them, so to speak.
Of course, that team not only had a ton of talent, they had a master motivator (actually majored in industrial psychology, IIRC) as their head coach, and coaches who knew how to best utilize that motivated talent. That team also played in one of the most brutal divisions ever.
No matter how anyone slices this, not even contending for a division title in 2015 and 2016 represents a colossal waste. With Tennessee looking like they will contend for years to come, Houston always being tough, and Indy with Luck who may finally dump bad GM Grigson (please don't!!!), the task for us will be more daunting.
Quote:You could make the argument that the team had not sufficiently matured to take the division at that time.
I can recall Dallas under the Jimmy Johnson era. Their first year, they finished 1-15. They made a huge jump to 7-9 in year two, but were only 6-5 after eleven games in year three before inserting four rookies into the starting lineup and then winning 5 straight to reach the playoffs with Steve Beuerlein leading the way. Sometimes it can take a young team a while to get their legs under them, so to speak.
Of course, that team not only had a ton of talent, they had a master motivator (actually majored in industrial psychology, IIRC) as their head coach, and coaches who knew how to best utilize that motivated talent. That team also played in one of the most brutal divisions ever.
No matter how anyone slices this, not even contending for a division title in 2015 and 2016 represents a colossal waste. With Tennessee looking like they will contend for years to come, Houston always being tough, and Indy with Luck who may finally dump bad GM Grigson (please don't!!!), the task for us will be more daunting.
I recall the Jimmy Johnson era. I remember by their second year under him it was crystal clear they were heading in the right direction. They were "only" 7-9 in his second season, but that was against one of the strongest divisions the NFL ever fielded.
Imagine what Gus would look like in a division against Bill Parcells, Joe Gibbs, and Buddy Ryan. It's crazy to think the team could look even worse, but without the gimme wins against the titans the last few years and the colts being a team that has underachieved badly, not to even mention the texans 2-14 season that likely doesn't happen with a great coach at their lead, Gus would have had less than 10 wins in four seasons in the NFL.
Quote:I recall the Jimmy Johnson era. I remember by their second year under him it was crystal clear they were heading in the right direction. They were "only" 7-9 in his second season, but that was against one of the strongest divisions the NFL ever fielded.
Imagine what Gus would look like in a division against Bill Parcells, Joe Gibbs, and Buddy Ryan. It's crazy to think the team could look even worse, but without the gimme wins against the titans the last few years and the colts being a team that has underachieved badly, not to even mention the texans 2-14 season that likely doesn't happen with a great coach at their lead, Gus would have had less than 10 wins in four seasons in the NFL.
As brutal as that NFC east was, Bradley could have had multiple winless seasons there. The only team they would have had a shot of beating was Arizona, and even they had their moments. Otherwise they had a Parcells-Belichick and LT led Giants team that won SB XXV, a Joe Gibbs and Hogs led Skins team, that won SB XXVI, and a Buddy Ryan led Eagles team that had the best and most dominant defense to never reach a Super Bowl. The Texans alone have given Bortles some brutal beatings. I don't think he would have survived those defenses in the NFC East at that time.
Dave Caldwell's plan take a project QB and give him the time needed to Aaron Rodgers it. Gus plan get better each day. What went wrong?
Quote:Are you seriously arguing rebuilding football teams should not hire coordinators to become head coaches if they are unproven as head coaches?
If so then:
Dallas was silly for hiring Tom Landry
Green Bay was dumb for hiring this guy named Vince Lombardi, and another guy named Mike Holmgren.
Washington was out of their minds for hiring Joe Gibbs
The Bucs never should have hired Tony Dungy
The Bengals never should have hired Marvin Lewis
There were these guys named Noll, Cowher and Tomlin who never should have sullied the Pittsburgh franchise.
Chicago should have never hired Mike Ditka or Lovie Smith
Denver should have never hired Dan Reeves
Mike Smith should have never had the chance to become the franchise's all time best coach in terms of W-L record in Atlanta.
New Orleans were ain'ts for hiring Sean Payton.
Furthermore, there are plenty of teams that have hired proven head coaches that failed.
Cleveland and KC failed with Romeo Crennel
Tampa failed with Ray Perkins and Sam Wyche.
Marion Campbell had myriad failed stints as a head coach.
Once again I never said teams shouldn't hire a coordinator.. Where did you get that from? I said it doesn't make logical sense to hire a unproven coach to start a rebuild... And I can give you 10 times as many examples of failures then success.. The Cleveland organization is the best tho..
Quote:Once again I never said teams shouldn't hire a coordinator.. Where did you get that from? I said it doesn't make logical sense to hire a unproven coach to start a rebuild... And I can give you 10 times as many examples of failures then success.. The Cleveland organization is the best tho..
I got it from you. I quoted you directly.
This is your quote:
Quote:
Key word "coordinator" <sup>1</sup>. Does it make logical since to hire a unproven coach to begin a rebuild? <sup>2</sup> Fellas let's not live in the past.. The future awaits us lol..
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This was in response to FBT who argued that Bradley seemed like a good hire at the time because he was a highly regarded coordinator.
There were two elements to your argument. I have numbered them.
1. You indicated Bradley was a bad hire because he was a coordinator.
2. You indicated it was illogical "to hire an unproven coach to begin a rebuild."
Tell me how I have misconstrued your words.
Regarding the number of failures vs. successes of hiring coordinators vs. proven head coaches, that's the norm for coaches overall.
Quote:And to be fair, JDR was working with a less talented roster and was still able to garner multitudes more wins than sad Gus.
Yep grass isn't always greener. Especially when see the work he's done with good talent.
Quote:I got it from you. I quoted you directly.
This is your quote:
(emphasis and numbering added)
This was in response to FBT who argued that Bradley seemed like a good hire at the time because he was a highly regarded coordinator.
There were two elements to your argument. I have numbered them.
1. You indicated Bradley was a bad hire because he was a coordinator.
2. You indicated it was illogical "to hire an unproven coach to begin a rebuild."
Tell me how I have misconstrued your words.
Regarding the number of failures vs. successes of hiring coordinators vs. proven head coaches, that's the norm for coaches overall.
Keyword "seemed" Their were other coaches out there.. Proven coached that has had success .. Andy Reid for example.. It makes logical since to hire him over Gus.. You cant tell me that's false..
Quote:Keyword "seemed" Their were other coaches out there.. Proven coached that has had success .. Andy Reid for example.. It makes logical since to hire him over Gus.. You cant tell me that's false..
REID WASN'T COMING HERE EVER AT ANY POINT FOR ANY REASON. WOULDN'T EVEN INTERVIEW.
This is as senseless as We Should've Kept Monroe, Marrone Quit on Bills, and Caldwell Defied Khan By Not Firing Bradley Sooner takes. Often repeated, always dead wrong
Quote:REID WASN'T COMING HERE EVER AT ANY POINT FOR ANY REASON. WOULDN'T EVEN INTERVIEW.
This is as senseless as We Should've Kept Monroe, Marrone Quit on Bills, and Caldwell Defied Khan By Not Firing Bradley Sooner takes. Often repeated, always dead wrong
If offered a interview I'm sure he would have came.. Caldwell had no interest in him.And Marrone didn't quit on the Bills he exercised his rights to opt out of his contract.. Look at the Bills quitting on Rex Ryan after 2 years..can u blame him? Point is Caldwell has made costly mistakes as a Gm and it has cost us Wins.. Oh and let's not forget this is also his first time being a Gm.. It shows doesn't it?
Quote:Go home your drunk :p
We could package MJF and Bklyn in a trade for TMD. That would be fine with me.
Quote:If offered a interview I'm sure he would have came.. Caldwell had no interest in him.And Marrone didn't quit on the Bills he exercised his rights to opt out of his contract.. Look at the Bills quitting on Rex Ryan after 2 years..can u blame him? Point is Caldwell has made costly mistakes as a Gm and it has cost us Wins.. Oh and let's not forget this is also his first time being a Gm.. It shows doesn't it?
No, Andy Reid would not have come here to interview. He was the first pick of KC, his own choice of teams.
Quote:If offered a interview I'm sure he would have came.. Caldwell had no interest in him.
He was locked down before the Jags even had the wheels in motion of their search. (inked on January 4th)