Quote:So you'd be disappointed anything short of Elite?
No, I didn't say that. I'm just hoping he's much better than a qb that holds the ball way too long and relies on the fact that he's hard to sack in order to be successful.
I don't think I'm saying anything too crazy. But maybe I am.
Quote:uh, I think Brady had great players (Corey Dillion, Rodney Harrison, Seymour, Wilfork, T. Johnson, Vrabel, Brushi, Samuel) and Peyton Manning had pretty decent players in Marvin Harrison, Reg Wayne, Dallas Clark, Saturday, Freeney, Mathis ....
I'm not so certain Brady and Manning didn't have better players then the Steelers during their SB years.
I don't think I said anything about Brady or manning
Quote:You don't draft in hindsight.
He's worth the third pick because he was seen as the only franchise caliber QB in the draft.
I agree with this. I would add that he needs to be good enough to consistently lead them to the playoffs and play his best in big games. Russell Wilson may never reach the level of Brady or Manning, but he is good enough to regularly take Seattle to the playoffs if the players around him are good enough. That's all I can ask from Bortles- anything more is just gravy.
Simply put, a QB picked 3rd has to lead his team to the playoffs on a consistent basis and several Superbowl championships. Anything else and he will be forgotten.
I believe he can be a top tier QB, I like his game his pocket presence his pocket movement. He has the software to be a top tier QB just have to develop him. This could set up for a great rivalry between the Colts and the Jags with two great young QBs going at it for the next 10 plus years.
Quote:I believe he can be a top tier QB, I like his game his pocket presence his pocket movement. He has the software to be a top tier QB just have to develop him. This could set up for a great rivalry between the Colts and the Jags with two great young QBs going at it for the next 10 plus years.
he's got software? Is he half computer?
It's a figure of speech, speaking of what he has between his ears, not bothered by pressure very competitive so on. Sorry to confuse you.
Quote:It's a figure of speech, speaking of what he has between his ears, not bothered by pressure very competitive so on. Sorry to confuse you.
I was being sarcastic.
Quote:Quite simple, what tier of QB would Blake have to become for you guys to think he was worth the 3rd over all pick?
kind that wins playoff games
Quote:No, I didn't say that. I'm just hoping he's much better than a qb that holds the ball way too long and relies on the fact that he's hard to sack in order to be successful.
I don't think I'm saying anything too crazy. But maybe I am.
I think we're mixing "style" and "accomplishments"
At the end of the day, If Bortles is the next Ben, Rivers, Flacco, or Eli then I'll take that. If we ever get to the point in 4 or 5 years where we are even thinking about a $125 million dollar contract with Bortles then I'm happy. Even with the cost of money factored in ....
Thing is Bortles has a particular skill set that none of them really have. The only QB in the league that comes close to the natural tools Bortles has is Andrew Luck, and Bortles is bigger than him. It's really interesting to see how he will develop.
Ad unlike Gabbert, Bortles is already a good QUARTERBACK and isn't just a good ATHLETE. So him "only" having impressive tools isn't a concern.
Quote:Thing is Bortles has a particular skill set that none of them really have. The only QB in the league that comes close to the natural tools Bortles has is Andrew Luck, and Bortles is bigger than him. It's really interesting to see how he will develop.
Ad unlike Gabbert, Bortles is already a good QUARTERBACK and isn't just a good ATHLETE. So him "only" having impressive tools isn't a concern.
I'm going to mix up two different podcast here but it was interesting to note on either Mon or Tue's Jaguars Today, Dempsey had on either O'halloran (Mon) or Dirocco (tue) and they briefly discussed the difference in play calling when each quarterback is in. Dempsey asked the guest if he thought it looked like they were running some different plays with Bortles to which the guest replied it looked like a whole different playbook.
They alluded to much more rolling out/pocket movement type stuff when Bortles was in.
Quote:Simply put, a QB picked 3rd has to lead his team to the playoffs on a consistent basis and several Superbowl championships. Anything else and he will be forgotten.
How many quarterbacks have 'several Super Bowl championships'?
Quote:Simply put, a QB picked 3rd has to lead his team to the playoffs on a consistent basis and several Superbowl championships. Anything else and he will be forgotten.
Pretty much. Nobody remembers Miami's Quarterback from a few years ago. I think his name was Dave Moreno... or maybe it was Don Mora. I don't know. Or the Oilers QB... Walter Sun I think was his name.
History shows us that you do not need a top tier QB to win superbowls. You just need a QB who is good enough.
Examples
Terry Bradshaw has 4 rings
Russel Wilson
Trent Dilfer
Brad Johnson
Joe Nameth
Jim McMahon
Doug Williams
Mark Rypien
None of those Qb's were amoung the elite in their day and they still have a ring. Build a great Defense and have an offense thats good enough.
Quote:How many quarterbacks have 'several Super Bowl championships'?
Let's go the other way and see who all of the failures are.
Peyton Manning doesn't, so he's a scrub. Brees only has one himself, so I know I wouldn't want him at #3 overall. Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers only have one a piece, so let's just table that talk for now.
Looks like he's going to have to be Eli Manning or Ben Roethlisberger in order to live up to the hype.
That is the eternal question. Do you want to have a QB is so good he demands to be one of if not the highest paid QBs in the league? Or do you have a secord or 3rd teir one who you won't have to pay as much which allows you to build a better over all team?
