Quote:does anyone no what exactly the substance he abused was?
Because if it is pot, I think that is really ridiculous. The fact that Gordon is going to be suspended for the year for marijuana is asinine.
Agreed. I think in the next CBA there is going to be some serious renegotiating in regards to league punishment as they are cheating people out of millions and ruining careers for something that is likely going to be fully recreationaly legal within the next 10 years. Criminal.
Quote:Just gonna quote this so maybe more people read it...
Just going to quote this so I can respond and inform you and your friend that players can be traded while they're suspended.
Quote:does anyone no what exactly the substance he abused was?
Because if it is pot, I think that is really ridiculous. The fact that Gordon is going to be suspended for the year for marijuana is asinine.
For what it's worth, I talked with Trey Wilson, DB that was with the Jags for a cup of coffee last year, and he said it was basically common knowledge that it was for weed.
Quote:Wrong.
Oh?
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Cecil Shorts III said Blackmon was back home in Oklahoma "doing alright for himself".....
Can we cut Cecil Shorts III now?
Quote:For what it's worth, I talked with Trey Wilson, DB that was with the Jags for a cup of coffee last year, and he said it was basically common knowledge that it was for weed.
If it is for weed then I have no problem with Justin at all. The league should be taken to court and gauged for every penny if they ruin his career over something so trivial.
Quote:Oh?
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Believe that was in the old CBA and Caldwell eluded to the fact himself tonight that he couldn't release him.
In a previous Blackmon thread, a poster stated that Justin needed "tough love" and indeed he needs to realize the severity of this situation.
Well I do not know how much tougher you can get than:
GM & HC statements:
“I think we’ve covered that and moved on for this year,”
“We haven’t heard much and it doesn’t sound like it’s going in the right direction.”
Darft 2 wide receivers, one by moving up
Blackmon could be back at mid season, Dave is good at chess.
JAGS can't release a suspended player and retain his rights at no monetary or roster penalty.
I think that the Jaguars are planning on the post Blackman era.
Good Luck Justin.
HeadSlap
Quote:Suspending Justin past week 8 would also be extremely unfair from an objective standpoint. This was his 3rd strike so he was to receive a year suspension based on precedent and the league wants to rob him now of an additional half a season?
The missing piece is that Blackmon has to apply for reinstatement, and part of that is showing commitment to fixing the problem. Seems like Caldwell either doesn't think that Blackmon's in any hurry to apply, or he isn't all that confident of his commitment to get clean and stay that way.
Quote:If you think Gene Smith got fired because of the Blackmon pick... well you really are clueless. Blackmon was the best pick he made as GM.
Can no one here understand sarcasm? Failing that, can anyone here
read?! "In part" means "partly owing to," not, "he was fired purely because of Blackmon."
And if Blackmon was really his best pick...ouch.
Quote:The missing piece is that Blackmon has to apply for reinstatement, and part of that is showing commitment to fixing the problem. Seems like Caldwell either doesn't think that Blackmon's in any hurry to apply, or he isn't all that confident of his commitment to get clean and stay that way.
Can no one here understand sarcasm? Failing that, can anyone here read?! "In part" means "partly owing to," not, "he was fired purely because of Blackmon."
And if Blackmon was really his best pick...ouch.
The "apply for reinstatement" stuff is more Goodell garbage that should be done away with next CBA as well.
Quote:If it is for weed then I have no problem with Justin at all. The league should be taken to court and gauged for every penny if they ruin his career over something so trivial.
Believe that was in the old CBA and Caldwell eluded to the fact himself tonight that he couldn't release him.
I cannot fathom a scenario where the NFL would force a team to retain a player that is suspended. What if your Long Snapper is suspended? The NFL going to make you burn two roster spots on that position alone? What if the replacement LS gets suspended too?
It would make no sense for the NFL to force a team to keep a player that potentially offers them nothing in return.
As for weed- I have absolutely no problem with people smoking weed. Unless their job stipulates that they cannot. And if a player's multi-million dollar livelihood rests on them not smoking weed, and they do it anyways...they have bigger problems.
Quote:I cannot fathom a scenario where the NFL would force a team to retain a player that is suspended. What if your Long Snapper is suspended? The NFL going to make you burn two roster spots on that position alone? What if the replacement LS gets suspended too?
A team can't release or trade a player who's been suspended, but the player doesn't count against roster limits, including the 80-man total player limit that exists during the regular season (53 roster, 8 practice squad, max of 19 on the various reserve lists), nor do they have to pay him. Once the suspension ends, the team typically has a short roster exemption period to decide whether they want to activate the player, place him on a different reserve list or release/trade him.
Quote:I cannot fathom a scenario where the NFL would force a team to retain a player that is suspended. What if your Long Snapper is suspended? The NFL going to make you burn two roster spots on that position alone? What if the replacement LS gets suspended too?
It would make no sense for the NFL to force a team to keep a player that potentially offers them nothing in return.
As for weed- I have absolutely no problem with people smoking weed. Unless their job stipulates that they cannot. And if a player's multi-million dollar livelihood rests on them not smoking weed, and they do it anyways...they have bigger problems.
He costs exactly zero roster spots while he is suspended, so garbage. As far as the weed thing, they need to just do it like the NBA does and let the players KNOW when the drug testing is coming up so they have enough time to detox. It's criminal the treatment that Gordon, Blackmon and others are getting, especially when you consider the fact that about 40-50% of the players smoke or have smoked. Hell, looks from this that the first thing Ha-Ha did after getting drafted was light a doubie.
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Scold the players and ruin their livelihood for pot, while the cokehead owners are allowed to be in the DRAFT ROOM a mere month after getting busted. Tragic, tragic, tragic.
Quote:In a previous Blackmon thread, a poster stated that Justin needed "tough love" and indeed he needs to realize the severity of this situation.
Well I do not know how much tougher you can get than:
GM & HC statements:
“I think we’ve covered that and moved on for this year,”
“We haven’t heard much and it doesn’t sound like it’s going in the right direction.”
Darft 2 wide receivers, one by moving up
Blackmon could be back at mid season, Dave is good at chess.
JAGS can't release a suspended player and retain his rights at no monetary or roster penalty.
I think that the Jaguars are planning on the post Blackman era.
Good Luck Justin.
HeadSlap
Emphasis on the last part.
This statement was made by Gus. Whatever is going on with Blackmon its obviously not good.
Quote:A team can't release or trade a player who's been suspended, but the player doesn't count against roster limits, including the 80-man total player limit that exists during the regular season (53 roster, 8 practice squad, max of 19 on the various reserve lists), nor do they have to pay him. Once the suspension ends, the team typically has a short roster exemption period to decide whether they want to activate the player, place him on a different reserve list or release/trade him.
Excellent summarization of the CBA and spot on.
No penalty.
Time to decide to activate or move on.
It is all in the players court.
HeadSlap
Quote:Scold the players and ruin their livelihood for pot, while the cokehead owners are allowed to be in the DRAFT ROOM a mere month after getting busted. Tragic, tragic, tragic.
All joking about the Blackmon situation aside, I do have a very serious problem with players (possibly including Blackmon) receiving one-year suspensions for engaging in marijuana use on their own free time. I'm not a fan of random NFL testing at all. In my ever-so-humble opinion, the only regular and/or random drug testing NFL players should face is for PEDs. Recreational drug testing should be limited to "for-cause" testing only, with test results sealed until one of the NFL's arbitrators (Cottrell and Birk, right?) have had a chance to review the case and determine the merits of the test.
The problem is just magnified by Jim Irsay showing back up so quickly after being slapped with felony drug charges, and seemingly no one in the major media takes issue with that.
Quote:He costs exactly zero roster spots while he is suspended, so garbage. As far as the weed thing, they need to just do it like the NBA does and let the players KNOW when the drug testing is coming up so they have enough time to detox. It's criminal the treatment that Gordon, Blackmon and others are getting, especially when you consider the fact that about 40-50% of the players smoke or have smoked. Hell, looks from this that the first thing Ha-Ha did after getting drafted was light a doubie.
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Scold the players and ruin their livelihood for pot, while the cokehead owners are allowed to be in the DRAFT ROOM a mere month after getting busted. Tragic, tragic, tragic.
You say garbage but Pacman Jones got traded while he was suspended. Show me where it says a suspended player cannot be traded.
And you can cry all you want about the rules, but dems the rules, and the players agreed to them.
Yeah it's not Blackmon's fault for being an idiot and flushing his career down the toilet. No, it's the rules faults, yeah that's the ticket. The rules did it!
You keep making excuses for your man, huh. It's a vicious cycle.
Quote:You say garbage but Pacman Jones got traded while he was suspended. Show me where it says a suspended player cannot be traded.
And you can cry all you want about the rules, but dems the rules, and the players agreed to them.
Yeah it's not Blackmon's fault for being an idiot and flushing his career down the toilet. No, it's the rules faults, yeah that's the ticket. The rules did it!
You keep making excuses for your man, huh. It's a vicious cycle.
Bender just did a great job of highlighting it in an above post and the Pacman deal was in
THE OLD CBA. So I'm not going to be redundant. I do however have to point out your hypocrisy, you say that you have no problem with players smoking pot, but that they need to follow the rules. BOOM. You just conceited the argument right there, the rule needs to be changed, it is NOT Blackmon's fault. Yes, it is the leagues fault that their punishments are draconian and out of touch and yes it is a problem that needs to be addressed. You make excuses for murders and rapists. A young man in a brutal profession that smokes a plant on his own time does not deserve the punishment of having his livelihood and dreams snatched from him because of some pseudo politically correct agenda that the league has. Funny they don't hold their owners to the same standard.
Quote:All joking about the Blackmon situation aside, I do have a very serious problem with players (possibly including Blackmon) receiving one-year suspensions for engaging in marijuana use on their own free time. I'm not a fan of random NFL testing at all. In my ever-so-humble opinion, the only regular and/or random drug testing NFL players should face is for PEDs. Recreational drug testing should be limited to "for-cause" testing only, with test results sealed until one of the NFL's arbitrators (Cottrell and Birk, right?) have had a chance to review the case and determine the merits of the test.
The problem is just magnified by Jim Irsay showing back up so quickly after being slapped with felony drug charges, and seemingly no one in the major media takes issue with that.
100% agree with everything. The NBA is showing Goodell how it is done in regards to testing as well as holding their owners to the same standard.
Quote:100% agree with everything. The NBA is showing Goodell how it is done in regards to testing as well as holding their owners to the same standard.
the players know when the tests happen, if they can't stop, then they obviously have a problem ... doesn't matter what people think about it, it is the rule and it won't change as long as it is illegal