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So TMD what do you like about Bortles? Just curious what positives you see in him. Who does he remind you of?

Quote:Since I was at the bar at the time of the draft, I didn't have a chance to post immediately, which I think helped me post a more measured response (than I might have) by the time I got home. 

 

I usually just shoot from the hip and say the first thing that off the the of my head. Heart on my sleeve type of thing. 

 

That's usually where you fail, too.

Quote:Since I was at the bar at the time of the draft, I didn't have a chance to post immediately, which I think helped me post a more measured response (than I might have) by the time I got home. 

 

I usually just shoot from the hip and say the first thing that off the the of my head. Heart on my sleeve type of thing. 

 

At least you recognize that you tend to be knee jerk.  Perhaps you should consider taking a breath before your next meltdown?  You might discover things could be significantly more tolerable. 

Quote:I don't know what to feel about this pick. I'm disappointed, but not angry. 

 

I'll admit when it was made, I was stunned. I had the same sinking feeling in my stomach as when they traded up for Gabbert. 

 

But, I am willing to give it a chance, because I don't think Bortles is anywhere near as bad as Gabbert. I just thought better talent, and even better talent at QB was still left on the board. 

 

Or maybe I just don't know QB's. I really think Minnesota got a steal with Bridge at 32. But maybe I'm wrong. 

 

The only saving grace is Houston didn't get both Clowney and Bridge. 

 

That's as fair minded a post by you as I've ever seen and I'll take it. 

 

I, as well, was a little stunned at the pick.  I had convinced myself that it had to be Watkins or Mack (or Clowney if Houston took Mack), that I didn't even give a thought to Bortles being the guy so I didn't look at him much prior to the draft.  Based on his size, I felt like he had the best chance to succeed but didn't expect it at 3. 

 

If you go back at the last 10 drafts and look at the combine numbers of the QBs coming out, 6'5" 230ish lbs seems to be quite prevalent for a lot of the guys that are starting or still in the league.  Don't get me wrong, there are several busts that have those measurables, but many, many more that don't.

 

The Russell Wilson's and Drew Brees's of the world are outliers.  I don't think you can take someone at QB of small stature high in the first round regardless of how much you like them.  I feel like 22 for Manziel was still a little high.  We shall see how this all plays out.  I love the draft though.

Quote:At least you recognize that you tend to be knee jerk.  Perhaps you should consider taking a breath before your next meltdown?  You might discover things could be significantly more tolerable.

that might be the nicest thing you've ever said to him.

Quote:That's as fair minded a post by you as I've ever seen and I'll take it. 

 

I, as well, was a little stunned at the pick.  I had convinced myself that it had to be Watkins or Mack (or Clowney if Houston took Mack), that I didn't even give a thought to Bortles being the guy so I didn't look at him much prior to the draft.  Based on his size, I felt like he had the best chance to succeed but didn't expect it at 3. 

 

If you go back at the last 10 drafts and look at the combine numbers of the QBs coming out, 6'5" 230ish lbs seems to be quite prevalent for a lot of the guys that are starting or still in the league.  Don't get me wrong, there are several busts that have those measurables, but many, many more that don't.

 

The Russell Wilson's and Drew Brees's of the world are outliers.  I don't think you can take someone at QB of small stature high in the first round regardless of how much you like them.  I feel like 22 for Manziel was still a little high.  We shall see how this all plays out.  I love the draft though.

 

I think everyone was on the same page regarding who we expected the team to draft within 3 or 4 players.

 

I wasn't angry or even disappointed when the pick was in and they announced it was Bortles.  I was definitely surprised, and figured there was going to be a meltdown on the board as a result of the selection from the usual suspects.  I stayed off the board for a little while after the pick to go back and do a little research on Bortles.  Because I didn't expect to see them draft him, I really didn't put a lot of time into researching him beyond watching the cut ups and the pro day. 

 

I'm glad I waited because I was able to watch the post pick press conference.  After watching Caldwell and Bradley explain the thought process behind making the selection, it started to make more and more sense.  They REALLY liked this kid throughout the process, and they had good reasoning in why this was the case.

 

After listening to both guys offer their perspective, I was fine with the pick, and figured it was worth it to remain patient, let them develop this kid as they see fit, and then let's see what we've got.  So, After that, I came to the board.  Naturally, there was already a Fire Caldwell thread, and a host of others complaining about this pick.  As I read the comments, it became clear that these people didn't bother to do a bit of research on the guy, and everything they were spouting was based on their own emotions and nothing else.

 

It's impossible for some people on here to take a step back and let things play out.  From their anonymous perch, they launch into these ridiculous tirades pretending they know better than the people who actually do this stuff for a living.  Rather than saying "I don't like the pick, but let's see if they saw something I missed, and maybe they've found their guy.  We'll see.", they immediately start shredding the pick, the team, and anyone who dares to show even the slightest bit of patience.

 

Some on this board need therapy. 

Quote:I think everyone was on the same page regarding who we expected the team to draft within 3 or 4 players.

 

I wasn't angry or even disappointed when the pick was in and they announced it was Bortles.  I was definitely surprised, and figured there was going to be a meltdown on the board as a result of the selection from the usual suspects.  I stayed off the board for a little while after the pick to go back and do a little research on Bortles.  Because I didn't expect to see them draft him, I really didn't put a lot of time into researching him beyond watching the cut ups and the pro day. 

 

I'm glad I waited because I was able to watch the post pick press conference.  After watching Caldwell and Bradley explain the thought process behind making the selection, it started to make more and more sense.  They REALLY liked this kid throughout the process, and they had good reasoning in why this was the case.

 

After listening to both guys offer their perspective, I was fine with the pick, and figured it was worth it to remain patient, let them develop this kid as they see fit, and then let's see what we've got.  So, After that, I came to the board.  Naturally, there was already a Fire Caldwell thread, and a host of others complaining about this pick.  As I read thte comments, it became clear that these people didn't bother to do a bit of research on the guy, and everything they were spouting was based on their own emotions and nothing else.

 

It's impossible for some people on here to take a step back and let things play out.  From their anonymous perch, they launch into these ridiculous tirades pretending they know better than the people who actually do this stuff for a living.  Rather than saying "I don't like the pick, but let's see if they saw something I missed, and maybe they've found their guy.  We'll see.", they immediately start shredding the pick, the team, and anyone who dares to show even the slightest bit of patience.

 

Some on this board need therapy.

very well said. Gotta give credit to mad dog to for actually giving it a wait and see approach. I don't know how some on this board can live there lives in such negativity. Its pathetic and fascinating at the same time.

Quote:Some on this board need therapy. 

 

Unfortunately I believe that's what some use it for, at everyone else's expense.

Quote:Unfortunately I believe that's what some use it for, at everyone else's expense.

they did not train me to provide this kinda therapy.

Quote:they did not train me to provide this kinda therapy.

 

It's why the Mod's job is sometimes (what I imagine would be) like serving bedpan duty at the insane asylum.

Quote:It's why the Mod's job is sometimes (what I imagine would be) like serving bedpan duty at the insane asylum.

I will say you guys are very leinient.

Quote:It's why the Mod's job is sometimes (what I imagine would be) like serving bedpan duty at the insane asylum.

 

So, should we put on ponchos like we're sitting in the front row of a Gallagher concert?

Quote:So TMD what do you like about Bortles? Just curious what positives you see in him. Who does he remind you of?

 

Granted some of this is from doing some research after the fact of drafting him......,

 

but, 

 

I do like the fact that he seems to throw well on the run. I like that UCF allegedly isn't a very talented offense as far as skill players go, and he seemed to do more with less, which is one of the traits I look for in both QB and coach. As much as I don't like it to be amongst the first attributes mentioned with a QB - I do like the prototypical size Bortles has. I like the fact that he won his bowl game, and did so despite adversity - i.e. had to come from behind to do it. Winners are able to do that. 

 

Another thing I like (and I think I was correct in this observation) was that he seems to keep his eyes downfield, much like Teddy, when he's on the run or trying to evade pressure. 

Quote:Granted some of this is from doing some research after the fact of drafting him......,

 

but, 

 

I do like the fact that he seems to throw well on the run. I like that UCF allegedly isn't a very talented offense as far as skill players go, and he seemed to do more with less, which is one of the traits I look for in both QB and coach. As much as I don't like it to be amongst the first attributes mentioned with a QB - I do like the prototypical size Bortles has. I like the fact that he won his bowl game, and did so despite adversity - i.e. had to come from behind to do it. Winners are able to do that. 

 

Another thing I like (and I think I was correct in this observation) was that he seems to keep his eyes downfield, much like Teddy, when he's on the run or trying to evade pressure. 

 

He's pretty similar to Teddy as a prospect in my opinion. Big difference to me is Bortles has the size, but Teddy has the intelligence and already ran a pro style offense. He's also a more accurate passer.

I don't really like Bortles' build. That's why I was so disappointed in the pick.

Quote:I don't really like Bortles' build. That's why I was so disappointed in the pick.

 

The thin legs?...

Quote:He's pretty similar to Teddy as a prospect in my opinion. Big difference to me is Bortles has the size, but Teddy has the intelligence and already ran a pro style offense. He's also a more accurate passer.

 

Actually Bortles trumps his Wonderlic, Bortles ran a pro style offense, and it's Bortles who has better accuracy (which is measured in how tightly you place the ball, not completion percentage.)

Quote:Actually Bortles trumps his Wonderlic, Bortles ran a pro style offense, and it's Bortles who has better accuracy (which is measured in how tightly you place the ball, not completion percentage.)

 

Bortles offense is composed primarily of screens and only reading one side of the field, it's more "pro-style" than a lot of college offenses but not as close as UL's. Wonderlic is irrelevent, it's doesn't test football IQ. Teddy awas already running the whole offense down to the blocking assignments. As far as accuracy, Teddy measures out as more accurate, using the most advanced of metrics http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2014/story/_...ucceed-nfl

Quote:Bortles offense is composed primarily of screens and only reading one side of the field, it's more "pro-style" than a lot of college offenses but not as close as UL's. Wonderlic is irrelevent, it's doesn't test football IQ. Teddy awas already running the whole offense down to the blocking assignments. As far as accuracy, Teddy measures out as more accurate, using the most advanced of metrics http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2014/story/_...ucceed-nfl

 

Yeah, I had also thought that Teddy was the most accurate QB in the draft. 

Quote:Yeah, I had also thought that Teddy was the most accurate QB in the draft. 

 

He was. You can't tell that to people now though.