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MJD is looking a little chunky for not actively playing football.

Quote: Replacing Monroe with Joeckel was the equivalent of replacing a Lexus with an Kia.

 

I saw it more like replacing a Camry with a shinier, newer Camry that turned out to have a recalled transmission and then threw a rod after you got it back from repair. 

Quote:I saw it more like replacing a Camry with a shinier, newer Camry that turned out to have a recalled transmission and then threw a rod after you got it back from repair.

I laughed...

Dave Caldwell's issues have nothing to do with who he let go.  Teams let go of better players all the time.  It's only about who he brought in.  Seriously what would have happened if we kept these guys?  One more win per season?  Maybe two.  And they wouldn't even be on the roster at this point. I don't get this argument.  

 

We don't suck now because of players he released 4 seasons ago.

MJD is on that geek show on espn, fantasy football. dork show.

Quote:Bortles and Robinson were great last season and just need good coaching to be great again.

Robinson's stats last season were largely a by-product of having comparatively light coverage at that time. The result was artificially inflated stats. Don't get me wrong; I think AR is an excellent receiver, but last year was largely a fluke due to being mostly 'under the radar' as a receiver. Blake did better last season but he wasn't ever great; he was a turnover machine then too. It's just that he's regressed so badly this season that he seems great last season when compared to what we've seen this year.

 

I don't buy into blaming the coaching for Blakes situation either; I blame Blake for not spending the time to work on what he knew is a weakness he has in his technique. Blake did more to hurt the coaches than the coaches ever did to hurt him. And by the way, Blake has been coached over and over on his technique; you can only be shown how to do something so many time; it becomes the responsibility of the player to practice and impliment what they've been shown after that.

 

To be a 'great' NFL quarterback you need the 'right stuff' ('right stuff'-a good working set of basic position skills like passing the football) to begin with and then progress from there. Blake never has demonstrated that he had/has the 'right stuff' to begin with. Drafting him third over-all and deeming him the 'franchise quarterback' was a monumental mistake on the part of Dave Caldwell.

 

Gus Bradley=strike one

Blake Bortles= strike two

??? =strike three?

Quote:So basically he's upset that Dave got rid of his friends.

 

After a while, people get too used to the status quo. They may not say it out loud, but they tend to accept things that are not conducive to winning. So every now & then, it's necessary to clean house. Now, I know some of you will argue the particulars... this guy was only here so long, or he played his tail off... but I'm going to go with the guys who work with these players on a daily basis. Part of the problem, part of the solution... & it doesn't always go the way we think it should. 

 

& I'll tell you this, as a Texans fan, I'm more worried about your team now than I've been in a long, long time. Get a coach & you're primed to do some damage in the AFC. 

Quote:Robinson's stats last season were largely a by-product of having comparatively light coverage at that time. The result was artificially inflated stats. Don't get me wrong; I think AR is an excellent receiver, but last year was largely a fluke due to being mostly 'under the radar' as a receiver. Blake did better last season but he wasn't ever great; he was a turnover machine then too.

 

I keep seeing some version of this posted in various threads by folks.  I really disagree.

Robinson was receiving plenty of attention in the latter half of 2015 from defenses.  

And what exactly are these "artificially inflated stats" you speak of? 

 

The difference in AR-15's numbers this season is a result of three things. 

1. Blake's accuracy is far worse this year than last year. His throwing motion is longer, his mechanics wonkier, and his footwork took a big step backward.  yes - he had issues with these things last season. They are far worse in 2016.  He regressed. 
   
2. Robinson dropped more catchable balls in 2016 than he did in 2015.  (Blake also threw him more UN-catchable balls)
   
3. After seeing Hurns injured multiple times and taking several unnecessary hard hits himself due to Blake's inaccuracy, Robinson began phoning it in to some degree to preserve his health. Blake wasn't turning it around this season, and he was leading his receivers into vicious hits instead of hitting them in stride when they were wide open. Why get yourself injured when you are already eliminated from the playoffs?
   

I don't see 2015 as a fluke for Robinson.  May have been a fluke that Bortles compiled the numbers he did despite his accuracy issues, but those issues are far worse in 2016 than the previous year. 

Quote:I totally disagree that AR was a miss as a late second round pick. Teams have been abusing him this season because they seem to know the refs are going to let them. He's still a top WR. Last year people all over were dissing TY Hilton, but just look at him this year. And yes I'm totally comparing AR to TY who I truly feel can be just as good.

AR with Luck breaks records, TY with bortles catches 30 passes a year.

Quote: 

Gus Bradley=strike one

Blake Bortles= strike two

??? =strike three?

Bradley = strike one

Joeckel = strike two

Bortles = strike three

Fowler = soon to be strike four

 

Maybe Khan is thinking in terms of cricket where you are allowed to swing and miss as much as you want and striking out isn't a thing. 

He's spot on. You can argue all you want but he's right.


If this team had a bunch of pro bowlers being improperly utlized, then yea we have a coaching problem.


The roster remains chock full of bums. That's the problem. The problem is David Caldwell. The problem has always been David Caldwell.


The Eugene trade is a great example. And the wasted first round pick IS Luke Joekel. It's called opportunity cost. If we had kept Eugene Monroe, we wouldn't have to draft his replacement - we could have selected someone else.


What we got was:


Aaron Colvin, Chris Smith and Luke Joekel


Vs


Eugene Monroe + top five draft pick who isn't Luke Joekel


...


That's a no brainer.

MJD was great at football and his position but as an analyst he has not idea what he is talking about. He doesn't even sound like he knows anything about football TBH it just sounds like he was just good at playing the sport.

Quote:MJD is on that geek show on espn, fantasy football. dork show.

 

Well then - I'm sure you never miss a show.

Quote:Bradley = strike one

Joeckel = strike two

Bortles = strike three

Fowler = soon to be strike four

 

Maybe Khan is thinking in terms of cricket where you are allowed to swing and miss as much as you want and striking out isn't a thing. 

 

Please. Trying a be a retroactive genius regarding Joeckel?

 

You know he was a consensus top five pick. And while I'm sure you think you should be paid by some team for your brilliance (give Tony a call), you get no extra credit.

 

And I'm sure you think you're correct about Fowler. Hey, you have a 50/50 chance of being right.

Quote:MJD is looking a little chunky for not actively playing football.

 

He was always stout, but you're right - he's been heavier ever since his last season or two before retirement.

Quote:Please. Trying a be a retroactive genius regarding Joeckel?

 

You know he was a consensus top five pick. And while I'm sure you think you should be paid by some team for your brilliance (give Tony a call), you get no extra credit.

 

And I'm sure you think you're correct about Fowler. Hey, you have a 50/50 chance of being right.

Of course it's retroactive. That's what you do. Have you never had a job evaluation?

 

"I know I lost the company millions of dollars with that investment, but other experts also said investing in General Motors was a good call so I can't be judged for it." 

Quote:What are you talking about? I said we shouldn't have let a a good left tackle go, which is what Mojo said as well, and your response makes no sense with the question mark.

If you are stating we did not let a good left tackle go, then end the sentence with a period.

 

Trading a player to another team is not letting him "just walk." If you want to make that complaint, pick a player who left as a free agent.

Quote:He's spot on. You can argue all you want but he's right.


If this team had a bunch of pro bowlers being improperly utlized, then yea we have a coaching problem.


The roster remains chock full of bums. That's the problem. The problem is David Caldwell. The problem has always been David Caldwell.


The Eugene trade is a great example. And the wasted first round pick IS Luke Joekel. It's called opportunity cost. If we had kept Eugene Monroe, we wouldn't have to draft his replacement - we could have selected someone else.


What we got was:


Aaron Colvin, Chris Smith and Luke Joekel


Vs


Eugene Monroe + top five draft pick who isn't Luke Joekel


...


That's a no brainer.

 

We weren't keeping Monroe, he was leaving at the end of the season. Joke was the top LT in the draft. These were the right choices that didn't pan out, sometimes that happens.

 

And we will never have a bunch of pro bowlers, we're Jacksonville for gosh sake.

 

And you know why we didn't want keep Monroe? Because Bradley said he wasn't right for the zone blocking scheme that we couldn't run. Coaching is the problem and now it's going to be fixed.

Quote:We weren't keeping Monroe, he was leaving at the end of the season. Joke was the top LT in the draft. These were the right choices that didn't pan out, sometimes that happens.

 

I wish, then we would have ended up with Fisher who was probably a better prospect.

 

I am a little shocked however that with Tony Boselli actively involved in the organization, wasn't able to better mentor Joeckel.

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1. After seeing Hurns injured multiple times and taking several unnecessary hard hits himself due to Blake's inaccuracy, Robinson began phoning it in to some degree to preserve his health. Blake wasn't turning it around this season, and he was leading his receivers into vicious hits instead of hitting them in stride when they were wide open. Why get yourself injured when you are already eliminated from the playoffs?
   

 

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