Quote:Yeah I can understand the mothers grief. But I have no sympathy for the perp. If you have the stones to pull a gun on somebody, then they have to think that the perp may also have the stones to pull the trigger. And taking that guy out was deservingly so. Guess people better think twice about pulling a gun on someone.
I'm not asking for sympathy. I'm asking for the understanding that any situation that ends up with a dead human being is a bad thing. One of the commenters on the article calls this a happy ending, it just isn't.
I actually look at this as a celebration of life and not a celebration of death. People were saved from their possible murders.
Quote:I'm not asking for sympathy. I'm asking for the understanding that any situation that ends up with a dead human being is a bad thing. One of the commenters on the article calls this a happy ending, it just isn't.
Sorry, but I'm not going to grieve for a person who is possibly going to commit multiple murders..
Quote:Sorry, but I'm not going to grieve for a person who is possibly going to commit multiple murders..
A: Multiple murders is speculation at best.
B: I'm not grieving either. Stop making every issue black and white/true or false.
Quote:A: Multiple murders is speculation at best.
B: I'm not grieving either. Stop making every issue black and white/true or false.
This.
Killing because maybe he might have could have murdered. Minority report at it's finest.
Quote:A: Multiple murders is speculation at best.
B: I'm not grieving either. Stop making every issue black and white/true or false.
A: When they're waving a gun around and threatening your life, I'm not going to sit around and speculate if I'm going to get shot or not.
B: When it comes to a situation like this, it IS black or white because it's either life or death. There's no grey area here and I choose to live.
Quote:A: When they're waving a gun around and threatening your life, I'm not going to sit around and speculate if I'm going to get shot or not.
B: When it comes to a situation like this, it IS black or white because it's either life or death. There's no grey area here and I choose to live.
You mean like the people threatening violence over the cattle grazing incident recently? Should they have been killed?
Quote:A: When they're waving a gun around and threatening your life, I'm not going to sit around and speculate if I'm going to get shot or not.
B: When it comes to a situation like this, it IS black or white because it's either life or death. There's no grey area here and I choose to live.
I'm not talking about the situation in the restaurant. I'm talking about your reaction to the incident. You seem to be incapable of understanding that it's possible to accept the actions taken by the bystander while still regretting the outcome. Instead you seem to believe you need to either fully support either the bystander or the criminal, there is a middle ground you know and it would do society a lot of good if more people would realize this.
Quote:You mean like the people threatening violence over the cattle grazing incident recently? Should they have been killed?
No idea what that is but it sounds like a protest gone wrong. That said, if you threaten to take the life of ANYONE, you better be prepared to lose yours.
Quote:You mean like the people threatening violence over the cattle grazing incident recently? Should they have been killed?
Of course not, those were fine upstanding citizens aiming high powered rifles at law enforcement officials in defense of a millionaire illegally using federal lands.
Quote:No idea what that is but it sounds like a protest gone wrong. That said, if you threaten to take the life of ANYONE, you better be prepared to lose yours.
I find it hard to believe you don't know what I am talking about since it's been all over the news for well over a week now but that's ok... I don't agree with your cut and dry attitude to death and that's ok.
Quote:I find it hard to believe you don't know what I am talking about since it's been all over the news for well over a week now but that's ok... I don't agree with your cut and dry attitude to death and that's ok.
Cut and dry could be the difference in life or death.
Quote:Cut and dry could be the difference in life or death.
And the difference between a peaceful resolution or the slaughtering of a bunch of misguided idiots, as in this case.
Quote:And the difference between a peaceful resolution or the slaughtering of a bunch of misguided idiots, as in this case.
I'm referring to the restaurant incident.
Quote:This is obviously not the case though.
Not saying you in particular, but you can't deny that plenty of people get off on these stories.
I didn't read the comment section, but of course you'll have that segment. It's the internet age, and the internet is a lot like too much booze in that sometimes it allows us to take things a bit too far with what we are thinking and feeling. I am man enough to admit that I've been caught up in that very thing more than once.
As far as guns go, I own several. I shoot often. I never kill anything I shoot at, and hope to never do so. I quit hunting 25 years ago over a personal conflict with killing things. I don't enjoy eating wild game, so it serves absolutely no purpose for me to shoot another living creature. I am almost always armed though. I always carry a concealed weapon, and sometimes more than one. I hope I never have to "un-conceal" a weapon a single time. It's not something I want or look forward to. You may ask why I do in the first place then, and my answer would be simply because if someone has to die, I would prefer it to be a violent felon as opposed to an innocent victim.
Quote:I'm referring to the restaurant incident.
And I was referring to your statement about it being cut and dry if someone is waving guns around you support killing them. You say it is cut and dry and you leave no room for peaceful resolution in any situation that involves someone pulling a gun out and threatening.
Quote:I didn't read the comment section, but of course you'll have that segment. It's the internet age, and the internet is a lot like too much booze in that sometimes it allows us to take things a bit too far with what we are thinking and feeling. I am man enough to admit that I've been caught up in that very thing more than once.
As far as guns go, I own several. I shoot often. I never kill anything I shoot at, and hope to never do so. I quit hunting 25 years ago over a personal conflict with killing things. I don't enjoy eating wild game, so it serves absolutely no purpose for me to shoot another living creature. I am almost always armed though. I always carry a concealed weapon, and sometimes more than one. I hope I never have to "un-conceal" a weapon a single time. It's not something I want or look forward to. You may ask why I do in the first place then, and my answer would be simply because if someone has to die, I would prefer it to be a violent felon as opposed to an innocent victim.
I enjoy shooting at ranges but I don't feel comfortable around open carry and prefer to not think about people concealing. Guns in public is not something I support in any way.
That said, your response is very thoughtful and I appreciate you sharing it with me.
Quote:And I was referring to your statement about it being cut and dry if someone is waving guns around you support killing them. You say it is cut and dry and you leave no room for peaceful resolution in any situation that involves someone pulling a gun out and threatening.
Hell no then.. Don't wave a gun and threaten my life and not expect a bullet between your eyes. Just sayin..