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Now there you go, with the above. Ruining a perfectly good agenda. 

 

It's been repeated numerous times lately on the sideline.

Quote:Fairly certain that the the guy pointing a firearm at patrons of a restaurant is the one that left no room for peaceful resolution.  Peaceful is how the place was before the armed robbers entered into the place.  How anyone could place blame on the CCW holder is beyond ridiculous.  Should he have shot the guy in the leg, or better yet shoot the gun out of his hand?  That's not how it works outside of Hollywood.  The armed robbers created the threat to this man's life, he used his firearm to end the threat. 

 

I carry CCW and pray that I will never have to encounter an instance where my life is threatened and I have to use my firearm to stop the threat against my life.  I was once in a situation where the business I owned in West Jax was held up at gun point late one night after closing.  My CCW was stored in my briefcase at the time because I had let my guard down after years without incident.  When the armed robber entered the storefront and demanded cash I went straight to my briefcase which was only a few steps away and was able to grab the handle of my firearm and begin unholstering it while using a corner as cover.  As I came up from my briefcase with my gun in hand and turned toward the robber he had his firearm pointed squarely at the chest of one of my employees at point blank range.  Knowing that I would not be able to stop this threat without my employee getting seriously harmed and due to the angle of where we all were standing possibly fall into my line of fire, I left the gun in my bag and got the little money still left in the cash register and gave it to the thief who turned and ran away never to be found.

 

That was the one and only incident I was ever involved in and the only time I had a gun pointed at me, and I can say that the helpless feeling of being a victim and having your life completely in the hands of some thug with a gun is unsettling to say the least.  I thank God that I made the right decision and nobody was hurt, my employee was safe, and that I did not have to use my weapon that could have resulted in someone being hurt or dead.  However having been through the situation once before I know that I was lucky with the outcome and refuse to sit idly by if my life is threatened ever again.  All that I, and I believe most CCW holders, want to do is to be able to peacefully enjoy our lives without having to be in the situation I was in a few years back.  We are not out "looking to get away with murder" as some anti-gun advocates like to spout.  Let me live peacefully and let others do the same is all I ask for, I wish I lived in a world without guns and without a threat of being murdered over a few bucks.  The sad fact is that we don't and that criminals will continue to be armed, therefore so will I.

I never placed blame on him and have seen no one else do that. That wasn't my point nor my intention either.

 

Excellent story you have there. Glad no one was hurt in the process. Like with you, I am sure the vast majority of people with conceal carries have nothing but personal protection in mind and good intentions. I have also had two different people, one an ex friend, that pulled theirs out and pointed it at me during verbal arguments. It's pretty hard to trust anyone carrying a gun after that. 

Quote:I couldn't care less what the comments say in that article.  The bottom line here is that 2 kids walked into a restaurant, one brandishing a gun and making threats.  He underestimated the softness of the target, threatened the wrong person with a firearm, and paid the ultimate price.  It's a tragedy that anyone had to die, but it was the end result of a series of bad decisions made by someone who the family is trying to portray as an angel unjustly gunned down because the shooter didn't have what the woman deems to be adequate training.  God forbid they admit this kid made a long list of dumb moves and it cost him his life.  No accountability.  It's always someone else's fault. 

 

Skin tone had nothing to do with the end result in this instance.  Stupidity did.  Until we better educate our young men and women on consequences for actions, accountability, and the fragility of life, this is going to continue to happen.  Focusing on the comments made by a bunch of ignorant, anonymous hayseeds deflects away from the real issue here.  This kid didn't have to die.  He had total control over whether he made it home that day or not.

 

I agree, color shouldnt have nothing to do with it, but some people think otherwise.

Quote:I agree, color shouldnt have nothing to do with it, but some people think otherwise.

 

Some people are idiots.  We have no control over that. 

Quote:Its another black boy who got what he "deserved" news story.

 

Just go to the comments story, it tells you all you need to know on the target audience.

Wouldn't your comment be better served in the comment section of that article then? As far as I see, most here are glad that the good guy stopped the bad guy from hurting anyone. That, in it's most simplistic form, is exactly what happened. Race really doesn't matter. Here is an article from another robbery, with the exact same set of circumstances, except the races are reversed.

 

http://hotair.com/archives/2014/03/30/vi...it-holder/

 

In this case, the white guy was the bad guy, and the black guy was the good guy. Guess what didn't change though. The bad guy is still the bad guy in both cases. The good guy is still the good guy in both cases. Race has zero to do with it. Just because some make comments, it really doesn't change the good and bad. In those situations, it's crystal clear. There is no ambiguity about who the good and bad guys are.

Quote:The guy has been using government land for over 30 years for his cattle to graze on. 

 

All the sudden the government has an issue with it.  Tell him to get off the land, and he has to comply.  If not, then enforce it, but you cant enforce something you havent done anything about for 30 years.  The government expects me to fence in my yard, why dont they fence in theirs?

An illegal act doesn't turn legal just because you've been doing for 30 years.

Quote:The guy has been using government land for over 30 years for his cattle to graze on. 

 

All the sudden the government has an issue with it.  Tell him to get off the land, and he has to comply.  If not, then enforce it, but you cant enforce something you havent done anything about for 30 years.  The government expects me to fence in my yard, why dont they fence in theirs?

 

While I may be mistaken, I was under the impression that they sued and won multiple times (and quite a few fees) before seizing his cattle. 

He's a good kid, every now and again you've got to incarcerate him, but he's a good kid.

Quote:Wouldn't your comment be better served in the comment section of that article then? As far as I see, most here are glad that the good guy stopped the bad guy from hurting anyone. That, in it's most simplistic form, is exactly what happened. Race really doesn't matter. Here is an article from another robbery, with the exact same set of circumstances, except the races are reversed.

 

http://hotair.com/archives/2014/03/30/vi...it-holder/

 

In this case, the white guy was the bad guy, and the black guy was the good guy. Guess what didn't change though. The bad guy is still the bad guy in both cases. The good guy is still the good guy in both cases. Race has zero to do with it. Just because some make comments, it really doesn't change the good and bad. In those situations, it's crystal clear. There is no ambiguity about who the good and bad guys are.

 

My comment would be better served over there, but why waste time trying to inject a thoughtful response of "people of all races commit crimes" into a section where no matter what the "darkies can just kill themselves all off" crowd has me outnumbered? 

 

I agree, race shouldnt matter in any news story, but the people who look at it in its simplistic, open minded view dosent get the attention, its the ones who always comment with the "send them back to Africa" who gets the most attention. 

Quote:I never placed blame on him and have seen no one else do that. That wasn't my point nor my intention either.

 

Excellent story you have there. Glad no one was hurt in the process. Like with you, I am sure the vast majority of people with conceal carries have nothing but personal protection in mind and good intentions. I have also had two different people, one an ex friend, that pulled theirs out and pointed it at me during verbal arguments. It's pretty hard to trust anyone carrying a gun after that. 

Did you completely miss the article in the OP?  Or perhaps the thread title?  

Quote:Did you completely miss the article in the OP?  Or perhaps the thread title?  

I was refering to the discusion and people in this thread here.