Quote:I enjoy shooting at ranges but I don't feel comfortable around open carry and prefer to not think about people concealing. Guns in public is not something I support in any way.
That said, your response is very thoughtful and I appreciate you sharing it with me.
I do a lot of range shooting as well. Targets are all I am out to obliterate, and I have lots of fun with picture targets. It's strangely therapeutic.
Quote:A: Multiple murders is speculation at best.
B: I'm not grieving either. Stop making every issue black and white/true or false.
Quote:This.
Killing because maybe he might have could have murdered. Minority report at it's finest.
Pointing a weapon at someone is a little bit more than speculation. Killing because "he might" have murdered someone? No. Killing someone because they're point a gun at you, and you've seen people die from the very same behavior.
Quote:Pointing a weapon at someone is a little bit more than speculation. Killing because "he might" have murdered someone? No. Killing someone because they're point a gun at you, and you've seen people die from the very same behavior.
Fair enough. I don't have to like it to understand that sometimes it is necessary. Perhaps I got sidetracked over the perceived glee in some whenever and event like this happens.
Quote:There's a difference between realizing certain actions are justifiable self-defence and celebrating the death of another human being. Read some of the comments on that article, it's downright disturbing how excited some of them get about the thought of killing someone.
I thought the majority of the comments were going to a lot of race baiting flame war, but they were tame.
Quote:Of course not, those were fine upstanding citizens aiming high powered rifles at law enforcement officials in defense of a millionaire illegally using federal lands.
Personally, the government needs to give up there. The government in this case needs to put up a fence around their land so the guy cant use it anymore. The guy shouldnt have to pay a dime. The land wasnt being used.
The guy is another old man set in his ways from a long time ago. Some people arent going to change.
Quote:I didn't read the comment section, but of course you'll have that segment. It's the internet age, and the internet is a lot like too much booze in that sometimes it allows us to take things a bit too far with what we are thinking and feeling. I am man enough to admit that I've been caught up in that very thing more than once.
As far as guns go, I own several. I shoot often. I never kill anything I shoot at, and hope to never do so. I quit hunting 25 years ago over a personal conflict with killing things. I don't enjoy eating wild game, so it serves absolutely no purpose for me to shoot another living creature. I am almost always armed though. I always carry a concealed weapon, and sometimes more than one. I hope I never have to "un-conceal" a weapon a single time. It's not something I want or look forward to. You may ask why I do in the first place then, and my answer would be simply because if someone has to die, I would prefer it to be a violent felon as opposed to an innocent victim.
That about sums it up for me too, except I never was a hunter because I don't want to kill ANYTHING. But confronted by someone who intends to harm me or my family? I'd rather I shoot than they do.
Quote:Personally, the government needs to give up there. The government in this case needs to put up a fence around their land so the guy cant use it anymore. The guy shouldnt have to pay a dime. The land wasnt being used.
The guy is another old man set in his ways from a long time ago. Some people arent going to change.
Guess it's okay to break the law when you're an "old man set in [your] ways".
And do you have a fence around your front yard? Because, going by your reasoning, I am perfectly entitled to come over and curl out a big one if you don't.
Quote:And I was referring to your statement about it being cut and dry if someone is waving guns around you support killing them. You say it is cut and dry and you leave no room for peaceful resolution in any situation that involves someone pulling a gun out and threatening.
Fairly certain that the the guy pointing a firearm at patrons of a restaurant is the one that left no room for peaceful resolution. Peaceful is how the place was before the armed robbers entered into the place. How anyone could place blame on the CCW holder is beyond ridiculous. Should he have shot the guy in the leg, or better yet shoot the gun out of his hand? That's not how it works outside of Hollywood. The armed robbers created the threat to this man's life, he used his firearm to end the threat.
I carry CCW and pray that I will never have to encounter an instance where my life is threatened and I have to use my firearm to stop the threat against my life. I was once in a situation where the business I owned in West Jax was held up at gun point late one night after closing. My CCW was stored in my briefcase at the time because I had let my guard down after years without incident. When the armed robber entered the storefront and demanded cash I went straight to my briefcase which was only a few steps away and was able to grab the handle of my firearm and begin unholstering it while using a corner as cover. As I came up from my briefcase with my gun in hand and turned toward the robber he had his firearm pointed squarely at the chest of one of my employees at point blank range. Knowing that I would not be able to stop this threat without my employee getting seriously harmed and due to the angle of where we all were standing possibly fall into my line of fire, I left the gun in my bag and got the little money still left in the cash register and gave it to the thief who turned and ran away never to be found.
That was the one and only incident I was ever involved in and the only time I had a gun pointed at me, and I can say that the helpless feeling of being a victim and having your life completely in the hands of some thug with a gun is unsettling to say the least. I thank God that I made the right decision and nobody was hurt, my employee was safe, and that I did not have to use my weapon that could have resulted in someone being hurt or dead. However having been through the situation once before I know that I was lucky with the outcome and refuse to sit idly by if my life is threatened ever again. All that I, and I believe most CCW holders, want to do is to be able to peacefully enjoy our lives without having to be in the situation I was in a few years back. We are not out "looking to get away with murder" as some anti-gun advocates like to spout. Let me live peacefully and let others do the same is all I ask for, I wish I lived in a world without guns and without a threat of being murdered over a few bucks. The sad fact is that we don't and that criminals will continue to be armed, therefore so will I.
Quote:You do enjoy finding these types of articles and then setting them up on a tee, don't you?
Hey, if you don't like them, don't click on them. And that's all I have to say.
Quote:Guess it's okay to break the law when you're an "old man set in [your] ways".
And do you have a fence around your front yard? Because, going by your reasoning, I am perfectly entitled to come over and curl out a big one if you don't.
The guy has been using government land for over 30 years for his cattle to graze on.
All the sudden the government has an issue with it. Tell him to get off the land, and he has to comply. If not, then enforce it, but you cant enforce something you havent done anything about for 30 years. The government expects me to fence in my yard, why dont they fence in theirs?
Quote:You do enjoy finding these types of articles and then setting them up on a tee, don't you?
Its another black boy who got what he "deserved" news story.
Just go to the comments story, it tells you all you need to know on the target audience.
Quote:Its another black boy who got what he "deserved" news story.
Just go to the comments story, it tells you all you need to know on the target audience.
There was a story in Jacksonville about a white girl that was driving drunk with her baby in the back. She got into an accident and killed the baby.
She was finally arrested a week or two ago after toxicology came back. The comments on that story were nearly exactly like the one on this story.
It has nothing to do with race.
Quote:There was a story in Jacksonville about a white girl that was driving drunk with her baby in the back. She got into an accident and killed the baby.
She was finally arrested a week or two ago after toxicology came back. The comments on that story were nearly exactly like the one on this story.
It has nothing to do with race.
About 1/4 of the comments in the link the OP posted says otherwise.
Quote:You do enjoy finding these types of articles and then setting them up on a tee, don't you?
Do you enjoy the ones where the crooks get away with murder?
Quote:Its another black boy who got what he "deserved" news story.
Just go to the comments story, it tells you all you need to know on the target audience.
I couldn't care less what the comments say in that article. The bottom line here is that 2 kids walked into a restaurant, one brandishing a gun and making threats. He underestimated the softness of the target, threatened the wrong person with a firearm, and paid the ultimate price. It's a tragedy that anyone had to die, but it was the end result of a series of bad decisions made by someone who the family is trying to portray as an angel unjustly gunned down because the shooter didn't have what the woman deems to be adequate training. God forbid they admit this kid made a long list of dumb moves and it cost him his life. No accountability. It's always someone else's fault.
Skin tone had nothing to do with the end result in this instance. Stupidity did. Until we better educate our young men and women on consequences for actions, accountability, and the fragility of life, this is going to continue to happen. Focusing on the comments made by a bunch of ignorant, anonymous hayseeds deflects away from the real issue here. This kid didn't have to die. He had total control over whether he made it home that day or not.
Quote:I couldn't care less what the comments say in that article. The bottom line here is that 2 kids walked into a restaurant, one brandishing a gun and making threats. He underestimated the softness of the target, threatened the wrong person with a firearm, and paid the ultimate price. It's a tragedy that anyone had to die, but it was the end result of a series of bad decisions made by someone who the family is trying to portray as an angel unjustly gunned down because the shooter didn't have what the woman deems to be adequate training. God forbid they admit this kid made a long list of dumb moves and it cost him his life. No accountability. It's always someone else's fault.
Skin tone had nothing to do with the end result in this instance. Stupidity did. Until we better educate our young men and women on consequences for actions, accountability, and the fragility of life, this is going to continue to happen. Focusing on the comments made by a bunch of ignorant, anonymous hayseeds deflects away from the real issue here. This kid didn't have to die. He had total control over whether he made it home that day or not.
Exactly. Color has nothing to do with it. I'd feel the same sort of anger to the guy that was holding up the store if he were white, Chinese, Russian, Indian, or what not.
The guy is scum because he's a criminal. Criminals have no color. They are just trash. Period. All of them.
Quote:There was a story in Jacksonville about a white girl that was driving drunk with her baby in the back. She got into an accident and killed the baby.
She was finally arrested a week or two ago after toxicology came back. The comments on that story were nearly exactly like the one on this story.
It has nothing to do with race.
cue the Kramden Uh....humina humina huminas...
Now there you go, with the above. Ruining a perfectly good agenda.