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While Bridgewater is falling fast, i would say he's the 3rd maybe 4th best QB in the class. 

I've never liked Bridgewater as much as most do here. I got excited about him after the bowl game against UF, which led the the hype leading into last season. I made it a point to watch the Louisville vs. Rutgers game on primetime and came away not entirely too impressed. He plays too safe for my liking. Give me the guy that isn't afraid to throw it into tight windows.

Quote:What I don't get is how Bridgewater is continuing to fall in this guys estimation, even though he's done nothing since the pro day !

Here's my take on it Andy. I don' t necessarily agree with it. But for those dropping Teddy, here's I think their explanation/justification. 

 

Pretty much since last year this time, Bridgewater was penned in as the best/most pro ready QB. It was almost a given, and so perhaps people(Mayock included) didn't scrutinize him as much as they should. Not much was actually said about him during the season, Teddy didn't grab many 'headlines', he was overshadowed by other dominant stories(for better or worse).

 

Think about last college season Andy. I would say it was dominated by 3 major headlines. 

Beginning of the season: Manziel scandal, did he get paid for autographs, will it affect his on the field play?

Mid-season: Clowney is not playing hard(enough)

End of Season: Winston scandal, will he play for the championship, etc.

 

Throughout this turbulent season, Manziel's and clowney's draft-status was really up and down, while Teddy's stayed pretty even at #1 or #2. Now that things have cooled down, it seems Clowney and Manziel have returned to almost locks for the top 5, while the scrutiny that was on them all season has gone fully to Bridgewater post-season. 

 

Putting Teddy under Garopp and others is just stupid tho IMO.

Honestly, I think this all comes down to these writers needing stories which grab our attention. And if they can't find them, they manufacture them.


You kind of hope GMs are smart enough to do their own work and not buy into this pre draft nonsense.

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Sticky keyboard?

 

 

Quote:Mayock's Top 5 from 2011:

1. Blaine Gabbert, Missouri
2. Jake Locker, Washington
3. Cam Newton, Auburn
4. Ryan Mallett, Arkansas
T-5. Andy Dalton, T.C.U.
T-5. Ricky Stanzi, Iowa
T-5. Colin Kaepernick, Nevada
T-5. Pat Devlin, Delaware

 

 

That's exactly how I ranked the 2011 Quarterback class on my personal hunk big board.

 

Is Mayock?

 

Not that there is anything wrong with that.

Quote:Here's my take on it Andy. I don' t necessarily agree with it. But for those dropping Teddy, here's I think their explanation/justification.

Pretty much since last year this time, Bridgewater was penned in as the best/most pro ready QB. It was almost a given, and so perhaps people(Mayock included) didn't scrutinize him as much as they should. Not much was actually said about him during the season, Teddy didn't grab many 'headlines', he was overshadowed by other dominant stories(for better or worse).


Think about last college season Andy. I would say it was dominated by 3 major headlines.
Beginning of the season: Manziel scandal, did he get paid for autographs, will it affect his on the field play?
Mid-season: Clowney is not playing hard(enough)
End of Season: Winston scandal, will he play for the championship, etc.


Throughout this turbulent season, Manziel's and clowney's draft-status was really up and down, while Teddy's stayed pretty even at #1 or #2. Now that things have cooled down, it seems Clowney and Manziel have returned to almost locks for the top 5, while the scrutiny that was on them all season has gone fully to Bridgewater post-season.


Putting Teddy under Garopp and others is just stupid tho IMO.

I agree with you. I just think this is the first time he's taken a long, hard look at the kid and isn't liking what he's seeing. Sorry, bridge (bib?) brigade.

I agree with Mayock on where he has Teddy ranked but I wouldnt have Garoppolo over him

Quote:Here's my take on it Andy. I don' t necessarily agree with it. But for those dropping Teddy, here's I think their explanation/justification.

Pretty much since last year this time, Bridgewater was penned in as the best/most pro ready QB. It was almost a given, and so perhaps people(Mayock included) didn't scrutinize him as much as they should. Not much was actually said about him during the season, Teddy didn't grab many 'headlines', he was overshadowed by other dominant stories(for better or worse).


Think about last college season Andy. I would say it was dominated by 3 major headlines.
Beginning of the season: Manziel scandal, did he get paid for autographs, will it affect his on the field play?
Mid-season: Clowney is not playing hard(enough)
End of Season: Winston scandal, will he play for the championship, etc.


Throughout this turbulent season, Manziel's and clowney's draft-status was really up and down, while Teddy's stayed pretty even at #1 or #2. Now that things have cooled down, it seems Clowney and Manziel have returned to almost locks for the top 5, while the scrutiny that was on them all season has gone fully to Bridgewater post-season.


Putting Teddy under Garopp and others is just stupid tho IMO.

Problem is that all this 'scrutiny' seems to be based on a couple of bad throws on his pro day. Is that really enough to relegate a player from number one on the draft board to the bottom of round one ? My point is that it seems a bit of an over-reaction.


But maybe you're right, maybe it's just highlighted a flaw in his game which had passed everyone by until now.

Quote:Honestly, I think this all comes down to these writers needing stories which grab our attention. And if they can't find them, they manufacture them.

This is the obvious truth. Nothing that matters more than like 5% of a total evaluation has happened in almost 5 months, but ESPN/NFLN still needs ratings and websites still need clicking. It's all about the money and being rational and sticking to your evaluations through the whole process would make for poor ratings. 

Quote:I've never liked Bridgewater as much as most do here. I got excited about him after the bowl game against UF, which led the the hype leading into last season. I made it a point to watch the Louisville vs. Rutgers game on primetime and came away not entirely too impressed. He plays too safe for my liking. Give me the guy that isn't afraid to throw it into tight windows.

Clearly you're just a hater.....

 

PS: I agree.

Quote:I've never liked Bridgewater as much as most do here. I got excited about him after the bowl game against UF, which led the the hype leading into last season. I made it a point to watch the Louisville vs. Rutgers game on primetime and came away not entirely too impressed. He plays too safe for my liking. Give me the guy that isn't afraid to throw it into tight windows.

i agree

Quote:Mayock's Top 5 from 2011:

1. Blaine Gabbert, Missouri
2. Jake Locker, Washington
3. Cam Newton, Auburn
4. Ryan Mallett, Arkansas
T-5. Andy Dalton, T.C.U.
T-5. Ricky Stanzi, Iowa
T-5. Colin Kaepernick, Nevada
T-5. Pat Devlin, Delaware

They don't care about how decent their predictions are, no one cares. They go on and blast players and talk up other players. it's all publicity. They do what they do to get viewers.

Quote:This is the obvious truth. Nothing that matters more than like 5% of a total evaluation has happened in almost 5 months, but ESPN/NFLN still needs ratings and websites still need clicking. It's all about the money and being rational and sticking to your evaluations through the whole process would make for poor ratings. 

 

Keep telling yourself that. You sound like Dorothy in The Wizard of Oz.

 

You seem to think someone would be so careless about their reputation. Perhaps that's how you would do it, I don't know. But people like Mayock are allowed to change their mind. It would be a lot easier for them to just stick with the standard stuff, the group think. But yet Mayock opens himself up to the conspiracy theorists or the people who think he's told what to say. That takes guts, because he could be wrong and then he'll have to listen to those who have become so stuck on some college football player.

If anything, Mayock has been too conservative with his lists over the years if you ask me.  His lists are hardly ever contrary to popular opinion. 

Quote:If anything, Mayock has been too conservative with his lists over the years if you ask me.  His lists are hardly ever contrary to popular opinion. 

 

Which is why he ought to be listened to when he changes his grade.

 

He knows he may look bad - by being wrong now, or certainly by his original listing.

 

He's going to expose himself either way, which makes it somewhat remarkable he made the change at all. Would have been much easier to just keep quiet.

Quote:What I don't get is how Bridgewater is continuing to fall in this guys estimation, even though he's done nothing since the pro day !

 

 

Lol i have posted this same thing but no one can answer it.

Quote:Sticky keyboard?





That's exactly how I ranked the 2011 Quarterback class on my personal hunk big board.


Is Mayock?


Not that there is anything wrong with that.

You and several other people, including many talking heads. It burns me up when people poke fun at the Jaguars for reaching for Gabbert when so many were in love with Gabbert at the time. They'll do the same if we pass on Bridgewater and he ends up being successful. Same thing with the whole "this class is a lot like 2011, but there is no Cam Newton", as if they all viewed Newton as a great prospect.


I don't rember my rankings exactly, but I remember thinking people were crazy for considering Gabbert over Newton. Also I remember Kaepernick was my second favorite QB and I wanted us to pick him at 16 if we went QB. I also liked Ponder and Prince Amukamara at the time, so I'm not going to pretend I was perfect in my amateur evaluations.

Quote:Lol i have posted this same thing but no one can answer it.

 

Yes, they have answered it.

 

Repeatedly.

 

Take note this time:

 

He was likely never rated that highly by NFL personnel to begin with, and the media is only now catching wind.  It happens every year.  As we get closer to the draft, we get closer to the truth as more becomes public from behind closed doors.

 

In this specific case, Mayock admitted to not watching but a couple games of tape.  After the Pro Day, that made him go back and take a closer look, and he didn't like what he saw once he did a better job of his homework.

Except he was praised universally even by some NFL GMs and coaches during the college season. As well as former scouts who do nothing but watch tape something Mayock admitted he didnt do.

 

Also the closer we get to the draft the more desperate draftniks get in  their story making and the lies from coaches/ GMs intensify hence it being called "lying season" so you are backwards on that one pirk.  In fact more gets pushed behind doors as teams do everything to keep other teams off their trail.

 

His arm strength hasnt waned. His accuracy hasnt dropped and there has been nothing to suggest that he has any problem with reading defense as with the other top 2 Qbs and that was acutally his greatest strength outside of outstanding pocket awarness which hasnt been tested since an outstanding bowl game against miami and is considered a weakness for the other 2 QBs.

 

The tape is there for everyone to look at. He goes through his progressions, has poise in the pocket, understands situational football, attacks the tough routes and isnt afraid to throw against man coverage.

 

The only knock on him was size and he trumped that so they jumped on a so-so proday and thats it. Its as if Mayock and others are saying his last 2 college seasons (where he got better in nearly every QB stat btw) are just smoke and mirrors which is laughable at best. I actually feel its the other way around : He IS that high on teams boards and in the minds of scouts and it has become popular opinion to predict his fall so those without real info (Mayock and the rest of ESPN) are trying to do just that.

 

But there no way thats possible right pirk?