Quote:And the Chargers got the better end of the deal? What's your point?
Chargers ended up with Brees and Tomlinson in that draft. Falcons got Vick.... Great.
Giving up too much for one player is just nuts. Saints did it with Ricky Williams.
1st the Falcons didn't give up a lot. They swapped first round picks and only gave up a third round pick that year and a 2nd round pick the following year. For those first few years it seemed the Falcons made a heck of a trade esp after Vick lead them to the NFC title came.
2nd Drew Brees didn't come from the draft picks the Falcons traded away. The 3rd round pick they traded in 01 was used on CB Tay Cody, and the 2nd pick they traded for the 02 draft was used on Reche Caldwell.
Quote:eh, I do think Rivers is a better QB but NY got 2 SB out of it. Would NY ever have won 2 SB with Rivers? We will never know. SD also got rid of Brees because of Rivers where that didnt turn out to be the right decision.
Wrong year homeboy.
Quote:1st the Falcons didn't give up a lot. They swapped first round picks and only gave up a third round pick that year and a 2nd round pick the following year. For those first few years it seemed the Falcons made a heck of a trade esp after Vick lead them to the NFC title came.
2nd Drew Brees didn't come from the draft picks the Falcons traded away. The 3rd round pick they traded in 01 was used on CB Tay Cody, and the 2nd pick they traded for the 02 draft was used on Reche Caldwell.
Falcons would have been better off staying put and taking Tomlinson and Brees and keeping next years 2nd than taking Vick. Fact.
Quote:Wrong year homeboy.
What was the wrong year?
Quote:What was the wrong year?
We were discussing the Vick LT trade back in 2001... Not the one in 2006
Quote:We were discussing the Vick LT trade back in 2001... Not the one in 2006
Oh my bad just seen that. Yeah Falcons should of stayed and took LT and took Brees in the 2nd like you said
The only way I'd be ok with this is if we gave up a 4th and a 5th or something like that. No way we give up our only 2nd or 3rd. To me, that would be dumb. Also, I'd rather move back than up. But that's just me. Rumors are rumors until the draft. So I take this like all the others, in one ear and out the other lol
GO JAGS!!
Quote:Falcons would have been better off staying put and taking Tomlinson and Brees and keeping next years 2nd than taking Vick. Fact.
Not really.....didn't Brees get hurt early in his career......
So how would falcons be better off? Also, you have no way of knowing if Brees is even there when Falcons pick in 2nd round.....
Quote:Make the trade
no, please don't
Quote:If our FO and coaches really feel he is a once in lifetime prospect DE (HOFer), then make the trade. Even giving up a 2nd round pick is well worth it if they truly believe he is that type of player.
If the Jags current FO makes that deal, I'll definitely start to think they are no better than the preceding FO.
Quote:If the Jags current FO makes that deal, I'll definitely start to think they are no better than the preceding FO.
Why? If they come out after they make the trade and say something to the effect that they believe Clowney is a once in a lifetime player and will be in the HOF when his career is over........
How would that not be worth (1) 2nd round pick? What are you expecting that pick to turn into......
Quote:Why? If they come out after they make the trade and say something to the effect that they believe Clowney is a once in a lifetime player and will be in the HOF when his career is over........
How would that not be worth (1) 2nd round pick? What are you expecting that pick to turn into......
Because with that work ethic, Clowney is far from a sure thing.
If Clowney actually had impeccable character and impeccable work ethic to go with the freakish athleticism that he has, combined with the Jags being seen as "one defensive player away...." then I'd at least understand the Jags making a move like that, but given what we've seen in that area this past year, the Jags would be fools to trade away a 2nd rounder in a deep draft to move up 2 spots - when they need more picks, not less.
Quote:Because with that work ethic, Clowney is far from a sure thing.
If Clowney actually had impeccable character and impeccable work ethic to go with the freakish athleticism that he has, combined with the Jags being seen as "one defensive player away...." then I'd at least understand the Jags making a move like that, but given what we've seen in that area this past year, the Jags would be fools to trade away a 2nd rounder in a deep draft to move up 2 spots - when they need more picks, not less.
Your speculating the draft is deep, we have no idea how deep it actually was until 4-5 years from now when these guys are going for they're next contract.
All I am saying is if the team really feels he is that type of player and they only have to give up a 2nd pick then that is a good trade. Also what are you basing the poor work ethic on? Rumors? I have yet to see any analyst show where he shows a lack of work ethic or character on film. I have seen him gassed at times....but poor work ethic no.
I just watch Grudens QB camp. Bortles even said Clowney was their primary focus of their plan against SC, and they wanted to have 2 guys assigned to him every single play and sometimes even three....
Gil Brandt must read my posts.
Quote:It would be more advantageous for the Texans to pull an Eli Manning/Phillip Rivers type trade. Texans take Clowney, Jags take Mack and they swap players for picks.
Quote:Ten years after the Chargers made Eli Manning the first pick in the draft and then shipped him to the Giants for Philip Rivers plus more, a similar strategy could be unfolding in 16 nights at Radio City Music Hall.
Gil Brandt of NFL.com suggests that the Texans could take defensive end Jadeveon Clowney with the first overall selection, and then trade him to a team that takes a predetermined player with its own first-round pick.
The approach makes much more sense than the Texans trading down to a specific spot before the draft, since that would invite speculation from other teams regarding the player the Texans would target, along with a possible leapfrogging of the Texans. By taking then trading Clowney, the Texans would more likely to get the guy they want later since the team that takes the player they’d pick may not be expected to pick that player.
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Why does it seem like we made this mistake before... hopefully this is just a rumor and nothing more.
Quote:Why does it seem like we made this mistake before... hopefully this is just a rumor and nothing more.
We've traded for the first overall pick before?
I wouldn't be inclined to make that deal. If the Texans really don't want Clowney, why would a division rival step in and trade away extra draft picks to them? Sit back and force their hand. Either they draft him reluctantly to play in a system he may not be a good fit for, or they go in a different direction completely and he's still on the board. If Atlanta wants to trade up to get him, so be it. We'll still wind up with a premium pick, and we'll still have the additional picks in the event we decide to jump back into the first round a little later to get a QB.
A rumor would have to at least imply that the source of the information is coming from one of the parties involved.
A guy in the media saying he thinks two teams should do something doesn't qualify as a rumor.
Swapping Mack for Clowney would be ideal