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Just do not see this happening 

Quote:A rumor would have to at least imply that the source of the information is coming from one of the parties involved.

 

A guy in the media saying he thinks two teams should do something doesn't qualify as a rumor.

 

Exactly.  It's not a rumor.  It's a guess.

My problem with this is that if we stay put at 3 we are still getting an ELITE player at a position of need with Clowney, Mack, or Watkins.

 

I'd be comfortable giving up a 4th and/or 5th to swap places, but anything more than that.. heck no.

2 more weeks. 2 more weeks. 2 more weeks.

 

We're almost there.

Got to love lying season!!

Some stuff sticks to the wall when hurled against.

 

HeadSlap

Quote:I wouldn't be inclined to make that deal. If the Texans really don't want Clowney, why would a division rival step in and trade away extra draft picks to them? Sit back and force their hand. Either they draft him reluctantly to play in a system he may not be a good fit for, or they go in a different direction completely and he's still on the board. If Atlanta wants to trade up to get him, so be it. We'll still wind up with a premium pick, and we'll still have the additional picks in the event we decide to jump back into the first round a little later to get a QB.

 

If the team was inclined to make a trade, I don't get what the big deal is. What exactly are you worried about those picks turning into?

 

I am only saying we make a trade like that (either 2nd round this year, or 3rd round this year and 2nd round next year) if they really believe he is an HOF player. If the team believes that without a doubt then that is a very good trade.

You don't help Houston...you force their hand. If they don't want Clowney and prefer someone else and we give them pick(s) to accomplish what they want, were fools. Now, if we force their hand, we could make THEM be the one's to have to offer another team draft choices to get the player they want, or have them select Clowney who they feel isn't a good fit for their scheme - THAT's the way you do it. 

Quote:If the team was inclined to make a trade, I don't get what the big deal is. What exactly are you worried about those picks turning into?

 

I am only saying we make a trade like that (either 2nd round this year, or 3rd round this year and 2nd round next year) if they really believe he is an HOF player. If the team believes that without a doubt then that is a very good trade.

Because we need those 2nd rounders and 3rd rounders to continue to build this team. Clowney can not win you a championship by himself. Mack/Watkins and lets say Teddy in the 2nd this year are better than just having Clowney.

 

Clowney is not Luck. If this were 2 years ago, I would absolutely say lets trade our 2nd this year or something for him. Luck CAN change a franchise by himself but Clowney can not. Reggie White needed Favre to win. A HOF DE is very very different than a HOF QB.

Quote:Because we need those 2nd rounders and 3rd rounders to continue to build this team. Clowney can not win you a championship by himself. Mack/Watkins and lets say Teddy in the 2nd this year are better than just having Clowney.

 

Clowney is not Luck. If this were 2 years ago, I would absolutely say lets trade our 2nd this year or something for him. Luck CAN change a franchise by himself but Clowney can not. Reggie White needed Favre to win. A HOF DE is very very different than a HOF QB.

 

Lol, statistically speaking those picks probably wont even be on the team in the next 2-3 years. And even if they are hits chances are they will only contribute at a starter level for the next 3-5 years. Chances of a 2nd or 3rd round pick being a franchise caliber player is very slim.

 

If Clowney is believed to be an HOF player by our FO, then the impact he will make on this team with be far greater than the 2 players we will supposedly miss out on. 

 

Also, some of you guys are acting like I am saying trade away our whole draft. We we only be losing one pick this year in either scenario......I don't think (1) 2nd round pick is going to set us back us back from continuing to build our roster through the draft. Heck losing out in 2 players over the next 2 years wont set us back either. Its only 2 picks out of the 18 we have at our disposal over that time frame. We would still have 16 picks over the next 2 years.....

Quote:Lol, statistically speaking those picks probably wont even be on the team in the next 2-3 years. And even if they are hits chances are they will only contribute at a starter level for the next 3-5 years. Chances of a 2nd or 3rd round pick being a franchise caliber player is very slim.

 

If Clowney is believed to be an HOF player by our FO, then the impact he will make on this team with be far greater than the 2 players we will supposedly miss out on. 

 

Also, some of you guys are acting like I am saying trade away our whole draft. We we only be losing one pick this year in either scenario......I don't think (1) 2nd round pick is going to set us back us back from continuing to build our roster through the draft. Heck losing out in 2 players over the next 2 years wont set us back either. Its only 2 picks out of the 18 we have at our disposal over that time frame. We would still have 16 picks over the next 2 years.....

 

I don't agree that Second and Third Rounders are typically two to three year career length players. There are tons of examples of players taken in the Second and Third rounds from this team alone that have put together long and productive careers. Would you give up Daryl Smith to have Clowney? I'm not so sure that I would.

^^^^ (grrr.....to GreeceMonkey, you butted in Deacon!!!) We're not in the position to be trading any picks away. 

 

We're not one player away or 2 players away or even 5 players away. 

 

We need all the picks we can get to upgrade this roster. And this coincides with a deep draft. 

 

We'd be fools to deplete some of the stockpile just to move UP in said draft. 

Quote:I don't agree that Second and Third Rounders are typically two to three year career length players. There are tons of examples of players taken in the Second and Third rounds from this team alone that have put together long and productive careers. Would you give up Daryl Smith to have Clowney? I'm not so sure that I would.

 

Well, I agree with your premise, but disagree on the example chosen. For Daryl Smith I might....

 

But theres been examples of even better players than that with 2nd and 3rd rounders. Hell, Joe Montana was a 3rd rounder. Many top level WR have been got as late as the 3rd round. Tony Brackens was a 2nd rounder and IMO was a more impactful player than Daryl Smith but had his career cut short. MoJo himself was a 2nd rounder...No, I wouldn't be trading potential caliber picks like that away when you are in the Jaguars "building" situation. 

Quote:If the team was inclined to make a trade, I don't get what the big deal is. What exactly are you worried about those picks turning into?

 

I am only saying we make a trade like that (either 2nd round this year, or 3rd round this year and 2nd round next year) if they really believe he is an HOF player. If the team believes that without a doubt then that is a very good trade.

 

You have no idea what those picks might turn into.  That's the point.  And you absolutely don't want to hand those picks to a division rival.  That's the other point.  There are enough concerns there to make it a roll of the dice as to whether he's hall of fame caliber or not.  Odds are he's not, in which case you're trading away picks, handing them to a division rival, and you're not getting value in return.

It has to be for Johnny Manziel.

Quote:If the Jags current FO makes that deal, I'll definitely start to think they are no better than the preceding FO. 

 

Too late for that, you already started with that nonsense last year... you're just waiting to see which side of the fence you'll ultimately commit to.  After the fact, of course...

Quote:Too late for that, you already started with that nonsense last year... you're just waiting to see which side of the fence you'll ultimately commit to.  After the fact, of course...

 

....like that commercial said...."I learned it from watching you!"  

Quote:Too late for that, you already started with that nonsense last year... you're just waiting to see which side of the fence you'll ultimately commit to.  After the fact, of course...

 

Exactly.  The human Popsicle is already setting the table.

Quote:....like that commercial said...."I learned it from watching you!"

 

You can't name even one.  You on the other hand, it would be difficult to come up with one you didn't.

per rotoworld

 


ESPN's Todd McShay believes a swap of first-rounders between the Texans and Jaguars "would make sense."


NFL.com's Gil Brandt believes the Texans will trade the No. 1 selection, and Jacksonville is certainly an intriguing option. The Jaguars lust after a franchise "cornerstone," as McShay mentions, and would get it in South Carolina's Jadeveon Clowney. Meanwhile, Houston would move to No. 3 and select a "great player/fit in [Buffalo OLB Khalil] Mack plus [add] ammo to target a quarterback later in the first round." Keep an eye on this situation.