Quote:you're delusional. HE picked the QB who makes uncle rico's throwing motion look professional. HE picked the coach. it was HIS decision to build the team this way.
Nobody cares about Bortles' 35 touchdowns last year. Fools gold.
Caldwell missed on his coach and his QB, as well as on a bunch of free agents. He has missed on many draft picks as well. I am not saying he gets an F for building the team, but I think he gets a C-. If he wants to roll with Bortles for another year, we are doomed.
Im delusional? Ok...
Guess everyone is when they picked us to win the AFC South and win 10 games prior to the season becaude the talent level is so good...yup. im delusional.
Quote:I'd prefer we build an offensive line and undergo a true change to the power running scheme before we waste another pick on a RB. Running the ball is about mentality, and we don't have the staff or personnel to run the ball. I think Ivory and Yeldon could be pretty good together in a better scheme and with an actual FB/OL.
My needs :
SS (Doubt Cyp is retained.)
OL (just bring in guys with the right mindset. More maulers! Linder and maybe Beachum and Cann are keepable.)
QB (Bortles needs actual competition, bye Chad.)
DL (most likely, we will end up taking a pass rusher or DL in the 1st. Can't have enough pass rushers. Really depends on the scheme we end up going to... 43 or 34.)
#2 CB, if Prince isn't retained. I'm hoping he is.
Other minor needs: TE, FB, NT, LB.
I think our main focus should be fixing the O-Line and getting a true, every down power runner with breakaway speed. This draft has several of those types of runners and they don't just come along every year. Fixing the O-Line can only do so much, when we lack talent at the RB position. Ivory has regressed like so many of our other players and has never had the burst to break off any long runs. Yeldon is a complete bust and I'd cut him as soon as the season ends. He adds nothing to our team I believe if we fix the run game
as a whole, we can limit the amount of throws Bortles makes and therefore limit his blunders. He's just not the type of QB that is going to carry a team with his arm. Yes, he needs competition, but unless we trade for someone or get very lucky with an overlooked late round pick, that won't happen this draft because the QB class is garbage. I'd like to find a SS and a pass rusher via free agency. I'm hoping the Cardinals don't tag Chandler Jones and we could make a serious run at him.
Quote:I would hope it does. If Khan isn't sure of Dave, then he needs to let him go now. Letting him hire a coach for next season, and then firing him next season is the same way we ended up with Gene/Mularkey
It's conceivable Khan would let DC finish the season with an interim coach and then hire a new GM to begin the search. Not likely, but conceivable.
Caldwell overhauled a bottom 3 defense last year into a top 10 unit thisbyear with a top 4 pass defense in one offseason. We likely get a top HC candidate because of his draft and FA acquisitions on defense this past offseason.
Caldwell has plenty of flaws. But if you seriously think hes built a dumpster fire you are crazy af.
Like seriously...ask anyone whose tean is underperforming drastically and evetyone will say the Jaguars.
Quote:Im delusional? Ok...
Guess everyone is when they picked us to win the AFC South and win 10 games prior to the season becaude the talent level is so good...yup. im delusional.
well, those predictions came before the season. Obviously everyone predicting that was flat out wrong. You still think this team has a lot of talent despite seeing 2-12 with your own eyes.
I see our receivers not getting open. I see our offensive line that can't run block worth a damn. I see two running backs who are absolutely ZERO threat to take it to the house when they touch the ball. I see a lazy tight end who was a high prized free agent by Dave Caldwell.
The defense is improved, yes, but they still lack even an average pass rush, in part due to the fact that Dave MISSED on Dante Fowler.
There are positives, sure, like Ramsey, Malik, and Telvin, but the positives are few.
That is me being as objective as I can be. Did Dave gets some picks right? Yes! But when you draft in the top 5 4 years in a row and you get ONE good player out of it, that's very bad.
Do you trust his talent evaluation when it comes to QBs? Do you trust his talent evaluation when it comes to hiring a head coach? I don't. I have reasons why I don't. Do you? If so, why?
Quote:Caldwell overhauled a bottom 3 defense last year into a top 10 unit thisbyear with a top 4 pass defense in one offseason. We likely get a top HC candidate because of his draft and FA acquisitions on defense this past offseason.
Caldwell has plenty of flaws. But if you seriously think hes built a dumpster fire you are crazy af.
Like seriously...ask anyone whose tean is underperforming drastically and evetyone will say the Jaguars.
we are underperforming because of who HE hired as head coach and who HE drafted to play QB.
Quote:we are underperforming because of who HE hired as head coach and who HE drafted to play QB.
Yes, and you dont think Khan isnt putting the pressure on him to hire the right guy and get this fixed or hell be out the door like Gus?
Coaches eyes are lighting up with the talent level on defense we have. Pass rush has two rookie edge rushers, so of course our pass rush isnt great. He also hit on a 3rd rd pick in Ngakoue who is near the top of defensive rookies in pressures and sacks.
Beasley had 4 sacks last season. To say Fowler is definitely a bust after one season when hes coming off an ACL and this is his first season plauing edge is insane. He meeds to get better, no doubt about it. Im not sold he will be what we expected. But its too early.
Look at Dee Ford in KC. He looked terrible sitting behind two veteran pass rushrrs when hed come in for KC. Now he has double digit sacks year 3.
Quote:Talent is not an issue?
Looking at the top 3 QB bust we have cause old dave busted again.
This post screams looking for something to be negative about. All you have to do is watch our games in 2015. That is proof Blake has all the talent he needs and his only problem is bad coaching.
Quote:Yes, and you dont think Khan isnt putting the pressure on him to hire the right guy and get this fixed or hell be out the door like Gus?
Coaches eyes are lighting up with the talent level on defense we have. Pass rush has two rookie edge rushers, so of course our pass rush isnt great. He also hit on a 3rd rd pick in Ngakoue who is near the top of defensive rookies in pressures and sacks.
Beasley had 4 sacks last season. To say Fowler is definitely a bust after one season when hes coming off an ACL and this is his first season plauing edge is insane. He meeds to get better, no doubt about it. Im not sold he will be what we expected. But its too early.
Look at Dee Ford in KC. He looked terrible sitting behind two veteran pass rushrrs when hed come in for KC. Now he has double digit sacks year 3.
sure you can find some examples of rookies who don't do much who eventually figure things out.
for every dee ford and vic beasley, I can find you 100x more rookie pass rushers who suck that continue to suck.
what makes you think Fowler will turn it around besides just HOPING he will? I have zero indications he will. I think the best chance for him to succeed is having a different style of defense. Maybe changing positions could help him.
We haven't even seen Fowler flash nearly ANYTHING. Think about how many times he has rushed the passer and how many times he's beaten his guy across from him. You can probably count on one hand how many times he's done that.
So, as it stands - it's a miss. I am happy to change my mind and give credit to Dave if Dante turns out to be a stud. As it stands now - he's far from that.
Quote:It's conceivable Khan would let DC finish the season with an interim coach and then hire a new GM to begin the search. Not likely, but conceivable.
I think that's definitely a possibility. But the wording of the statement indicates that DC is involved in the long-term HC search, not the interim one.
Quote:Ramsey, Telvin, Malik, Big Roy, Sen, Jack, Amukamara, Ngakoue, Beachum, Lee, ARob, Hurns, Linder, etc.
Complete [BAD WORD REMOVED]. Just happrns to be one of our more talented teams since the early to mid 2000s. But yes, just a full blown dumpster fire.
Every team's list of building blocks is better than this except for the Browns and Niners. And they have done it without having 4 drafts of elite picks and the most cap space in NFL history.
Dave's best con job was gutting the roster so badly that no matter who he acquired he would look good in comparison. Don't compare Dave's bar to friggin Gene Smith and the roster that he utterly dismantled. Compare it to the rest of the league, and Dave just doesn't stack up despite having far more draft and cap room ammo than anyone else.
Quote:Every team's list of building blocks is better than this except for the Browns and Niners. And they have done it without having 4 drafts of elite picks and the most cap space in NFL history.
Dave's best con job was gutting the roster so badly that no matter who he acquired he would look good in comparison. Don't compare Dave's bar to friggin Gene Smith and the roster that he utterly dismantled. Compare it to the rest of the league, and Dave just doesn't stack up despite having far more draft and cap room ammo than anyone else.
Bingo. I can't believe it appears that Dave is getting a pass on this.
Quote:you're delusional. HE picked the QB who makes uncle rico's throwing motion look professional. HE picked the coach. it was HIS decision to build the team this way.
Nobody cares about Bortles' 35 touchdowns last year. Fools gold.
Caldwell missed on his coach and his QB, as well as on a bunch of free agents. He has missed on many draft picks as well. I am not saying he gets an F for building the team, but I think he gets a C-. If he wants to roll with Bortles for another year, we are doomed.
You see, here is the thing.....
Uncle Rico at least cared enough about his motion to video tape it and make sure it looked good. BB5 doesn't have the drive for that.
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You ever heard David Caldwell admit a mistake? Yes. Several times. He's talked about GMs including himself wishing they had picks back to do over again and he admitted that letting Daryl Smith walk was a poor decision. I'm sure he'll take some ownership of other poor decisions if he is in fact retained.
As long as he is GM, Bortles is the man. This is just a blind assumption. And if it's true - then I don't want DC around anymore. I think he's smart enough to bring in another option at QB for a new HC.
That means we will have a lame duck season next year. And what coach in their right mind wants to come into that? More assumption.
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I remember those Mike Lombardi quotes about a month ago saying that our front office wasn't having an honest evaluation with themselves about the talent that have brought in.
I also remember Gus saying just a few weeks ago that he and Dave looked at all of Blake's throws again and their decision was that a lot of other QBs in the league were missing throws too.
Obviously that is just a taste of information, but I think there is at least some evidence that Caldwell isn't self evaluating honestly.
Quote:I remember those Mike Lombardi quotes about a month ago saying that our front office wasn't having an honest evaluation with themselves about the talent that have brought in.
I also remember Gus saying just a few weeks ago that he and Dave looked at all of Blake's throws again and their decision was that a lot of other QBs in the league were missing throws too.
Obviously that is just a taste of information, but I think there is at least some evidence that Caldwell isn't self evaluating honestly.
Dave is a clown and even got clowned in the Draft Day movie. Nobody respects a young GM who thinks he is smarter than everybody in the room.
Quote:we are underperforming because of who HE hired as head coach and who HE drafted to play QB.
Forget it, you're arguing with the ExcuseWall<sup>TM</sup>
Quote:sure you can find some examples of rookies who don't do much who eventually figure things out.
for every dee ford and vic beasley, I can find you 100x more rookie pass rushers who suck that continue to suck.
what makes you think Fowler will turn it around besides just HOPING he will? I have zero indications he will. I think the best chance for him to succeed is having a different style of defense. Maybe changing positions could help him.
We haven't even seen Fowler flash nearly ANYTHING. Think about how many times he has rushed the passer and how many times he's beaten his guy across from him. You can probably count on one hand how many times he's done that.
So, as it stands - it's a miss. I am happy to change my mind and give credit to Dave if Dante turns out to be a stud. As it stands now - he's far from that.
As an edge rusher? I dont. But as anpure football talent he has a chsnce to be elite, especially at SLB.
He hadnt ever been an edge rusher til this year. Not surprising he is having a learning curve.
Quote:well, those predictions came before the season. Obviously everyone predicting that was flat out wrong. You still think this team has a lot of talent despite seeing 2-12 with your own eyes.
I see our receivers not getting open. I see our offensive line that can't run block worth a damn. I see two running backs who are absolutely ZERO threat to take it to the house when they touch the ball. I see a lazy tight end who was a high prized free agent by Dave Caldwell.
The defense is improved, yes, but they still lack even an average pass rush, in part due to the fact that Dave MISSED on Dante Fowler.
There are positives, sure, like Ramsey, Malik, and Telvin, but the positives are few.
That is me being as objective as I can be. Did Dave gets some picks right? Yes! But when you draft in the top 5 4 years in a row and you get ONE good player out of it, that's very bad.
Do you trust his talent evaluation when it comes to QBs? Do you trust his talent evaluation when it comes to hiring a head coach? I don't. I have reasons why I don't. Do you? If so, why?
It's disingenuous to call either Bortles or Fowler a miss at his point in time, IMO. Fowler tore an ACL, which is a huge deal for a defensive lineman, especially one who is heavily reliant on speed. It's also his first 14 games in the NFL. There's also the issue of our defensive scheme, which seems to put almost nobody in a position to be successful. Our coaching has certainly had an impact.
Bortles has been awful this year, but when asked, said that nobody on staff had even mentioned his mechanics to him. He looked great last year (despite the garbage time arguments) and many had pegged both he and Carr as the next great QBs. Carr improved, he regressed. It's possible he's not fixable, but he does have talent. 30 other teams missed on Carr, as well.
Our receivers have clearly given up--especially A-Rob. We scheme nobody open. We just line them up across from the corners and expect them to beat the coverage. This entire team has an attitude that screams they've given up--and that reflects leadership.
Joeckel is clearly a bust, but it was the right pick. That entire draft was awful. The fact that Cyprien is even average is a victory in my book.
Players have come to this team, looked good, and become worse as time went on. It's coaching. The talent gleaned in the later rounds speaks for itself. It's possible that Caldwell remains unsuccessful, but you can't pin all the problems on him.
What is with this fan base and their incessant need to always have a scapegoat and target to move onto after they've drank the blood of the prior one? Yeah Gus needed to go no doubt there, but instead of giving it at least one year to see if indeed we are as talented as we hope and find out if coaching is the issue, we're already itching to lynch Caldwell.
Quote:What is with this fan base and their incessant need to always have a scapegoat and target to move onto after they've drank the blood of the prior one? Yeah Gus needed to go no doubt there, but instead of giving it at least one year to see if indeed we are as talented as we hope and find out if coaching is the issue, we're already itching to lynch Caldwell.
Caldwell has been a target for awhile, even while Gus was employed. The guy stinks and needs to hit the bricks along with Bradley. You aren't gonna catch a marlin with a Wal-Mart fishing pole.