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And what did you see out of Clowney this year that yells top 3? I saw a guy that did not finish plays. Where Mack has played hard for four straight years.

Quote:And what did you see out of Clowney this year that yells top 3? I saw a guy that did not finish plays. Where Mack has played hard for four straight years.

 

This year? not much, but I am not going to base my entire evaluation of Clowney on this one year. Mack "plays" hard all the time. His motor is not in question. This season is the only one that Mack had exceptional production however. And it still was mostly vs inferior competition. 

Quote:Disagree. Bridgewater has a very good chance to be very good at the most important position in football. 

 

Mack, IMO, will likely be average to good as either a LB or DE in the NFL. That would be taking pick 3 and flushing it, if we took him there. Would be similar to Gene taking Alualu at 11 that year. 

 

Doubling, tripling, and quadrupling down on the lunacy, I see.

 

That, and getting a running start on the weekend bender, I would assume.

Quote:Doubling, tripling, and quadrupling down on the lunacy, I see.

 

That, and getting a running start on the weekend bender, I would assume.

 

The only thing different about the Gene/ ALualu comparison would be the lack of hype on Alualu. What I am comparing though is the ultimate production we'll be getting outta both players in both examples well, maybe better production in Mack's case, but by comparison to where he'll be selected....similar. 

Gloves are illegal on throwing hand in nfl. Wow

Quote:Gloves are illegal on throwing hand in nfl. Wow

 

wut?

You didnt know that?

Quote:The only thing different about the Gene/ ALualu comparison would be the lack of hype on Alualu. What I am comparing though is the ultimate production we'll be getting outta both players in both examples well, maybe better production in Mack's case, but by comparison to where he'll be selected....similar. 

I hate to break this to you, but you'll have a tough time selling that idea to anyone with a lick of common sense.

Quote:yep just like other LB of his size and draft position over the last 5 years Curry, McClain....now Mack.....

 

Why are you comparing him to Curry and McClain? The only thing that tells me us is that you either haven't watched a second of Mack, or have no clue how to evaluate what you see.

 

Mack's comps, for good reason too, are Von Miller and DeMarcus Ware. He is a technically sound pass rushing machine, who is also well rounded enough to play SAM if needed. Curry and McClain didn't have a shred of pass rushing ability, nor were they supposed to. 

Nevermind I am wrong there arnt. But still wouldnt take him at 3. But wouldnt complain if did. Thats weird thought I read they were.

Quote:Why are you comparing him to Curry and McClain? The only thing that tells me us is that you either haven't watched a second of Mack, or have no clue how to evaluate what you see.

 

Mack's comps, for good reason too, are Von Miller and DeMarcus Ware. He is a technically sound pass rushing machine, who is also well rounded enough to play SAM if needed. Curry and McClain didn't have a shred of pass rushing ability, nor were they supposed to. 

 

Spot on.  The only reason he's bringing up those names is because it fit's his premature declaration that Mack will be a bust in terms of being a top 5 pick.

 

I don't think he's read a single scouting report (let alone several) or watched a single game (let alone career highlight clips.)  He's solely going off what he sees as "hype," because he hasn't done a bit of homework on him.

 

Mack has a "cool name."  I'd expect him to be projecting HOF status.  :whistling:

Quote:Why are you comparing him to Curry and McClain? The only thing that tells me us is that you either haven't watched a second of Mack, or have no clue how to evaluate what you see.

 

Mack's comps, for good reason too, are Von Miller and DeMarcus Ware. He is a technically sound pass rushing machine, who is also well rounded enough to play SAM if needed. Curry and McClain didn't have a shred of pass rushing ability, nor were they supposed to. 

 

lol, Miller may be of similar size, but ran a 4.45. And apparently needed steroids to attain his "production". Wonder what he'll be without them. 

 

DeMarcus Ware is bigger AND faster than Mack, so not sure where that comparison even comes from. 

 

Mack is an over 4.7 guy who is of just average size. 

 

 

I guess because he tries harder (motor) will make all the difference in big boy league, though... 

 

Maybe Mack's also on the juice, too?....who knows. 

 

 

He's not going to be anything close to Miller or Ware's production, IMO. Sorry. 

Everybody needs to cut TMD some slack. Everybody knows he bases his "analytics" on YouTube highlight reels and / or stats. I mean, he looked at Mack and assumed he will have a career like Larry hart.


You've gotta respect that from a cerebral standpoint. I applaud you, TMD.

Quote:lol, Miller may be of similar size, but ran a 4.45. And apparently needed steroids to attain his "production". Wonder what he'll be without them. 

 

DeMarcus Ware is bigger AND faster than Mack, so not sure where that comparison even comes from. 

 

Mack is an over 4.7 guy who is of just average size. 

 

Aren't you the guy that always says to throw out 40 times/combine performances and trust the tape?

 

I could swear that was you.  :whistling:

Quote:lol, Miller may be of similar size, but ran a 4.45. And apparently needed steroids to attain his "production". Wonder what he'll be without them. 

 

DeMarcus Ware is bigger AND faster than Mack, so not sure where that comparison even comes from. 

 

Mack is an over 4.7 guy who is of just average size. 

 

Von Miller workout numbers

Height: 6025
Weight: 246
40 Yrd Dash: 4.42
20 Yrd Dash: 2.57
10 Yrd Dash: 1.57 225 Lb. Bench Reps: 21
Vertical Jump: 37
Broad Jump: 10'06"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.06
3-Cone Drill: 6.70

 

DeMarcus Ware workout numbers

Height: 6040
Weight: 251
40 Yrd Dash: 4.56
20 Yrd Dash: 2.71
10 Yrd Dash: 1.62 225 Lb. Bench Reps: 27
Vertical Jump: 38 1/2
Broad Jump: 10'02"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.07
3-Cone Drill: 6.85

 

Khalil Mack workout numbers 

Height: 6025
Weight: 251
40 Yrd Dash: 4.55
20 Yrd Dash: 2.55
10 Yrd Dash: 1.53 225 Lb. Bench Reps: 23
Vertical Jump: 40
Broad Jump: 10'08"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.18
3-Cone Drill: 7.08

 

 

You're right Mack doesn't stack up with those at all...oh wait...Mack beat them both in the 'explosive' 10 yard, vertical, and broad jump measurables while being comparable in the agility ones too?

Quote:Von Miller workout numbers

Height: 6025
Weight: 246
40 Yrd Dash: 4.42
20 Yrd Dash: 2.57
10 Yrd Dash: 1.57 225 Lb. Bench Reps: 21
Vertical Jump: 37
Broad Jump: 10'06"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.06
3-Cone Drill: 6.70

 

DeMarcus Ware workout numbers

Height: 6040
Weight: 251
40 Yrd Dash: 4.56
20 Yrd Dash: 2.71
10 Yrd Dash: 1.62 225 Lb. Bench Reps: 27
Vertical Jump: 38 1/2
Broad Jump: 10'02"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.07
3-Cone Drill: 6.85

 

Khalil Mack workout numbers 

Height: 6025
Weight: 251
40 Yrd Dash: 4.55
20 Yrd Dash: 2.55
10 Yrd Dash: 1.53 225 Lb. Bench Reps: 23
Vertical Jump: 40
Broad Jump: 10'08"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.18
3-Cone Drill: 7.08

 

 

You're right Mack doesn't stack up with those at all...oh wait...Mack beat them both in the 'explosive' 10 yard, vertical, and broad jump measurables while being comparable in the agility ones too?

 

He's not listed at 4.5 on wiki, he's listed at 4.7. 

 

I can't wait to see this evolve and you expecting Mack to be like those 2 in the pro's. This is gonna be good stuff when he flops. (relatively speaking)

Quote:He's not listed at 4.5 on wiki, he's listed at 4.7. 

 

I can't wait to see this evolve and you expecting Mack to be like those 2 in the pro's. This is gonna be good stuff when he flops. (relatively speaking)

Nothing is evolving. Mack was a very good prospect coming into the year that went out and dominated the competition as you would have expected, and showed up the biggest against the best competition he faced. Please go watch the Ohio St cutup and tell me he doesn't look like a star to you? 

 

Also, I've never said he is my choice at 3. It's still Teddy followed by Clowney followed by Mack...but if we wind up with Mack I know that we will have still gotten a very good player. 

Quote:Aren't you the guy that always says to throw out 40 times/combine performances and trust the tape?

 

I could swear that was you.  :whistling:

 

I am, especially when you are comparing players from equal level of competition. Mack's a small school player, so its not equal anymore. 

 

And also, I tend to think the workout numbers are more useful in comparing defensive players than offensive ones - as you can be a better route runner as a WR than someone else who runs a faster 40 time and still be a better WR than the dude with the faster time. 

Quote:You're right Mack doesn't stack up with those at all...oh wait...Mack beat them both in the 'explosive' 10 yard, vertical, and broad jump measurables while being comparable in the agility ones too?

 

Quicker burst than both, going by measurables (10 and 20 yrds.)  Maybe Gus plans on lining him up 40 yards from the QB?

Quote:Mack's comps, for good reason too, are Von Miller and DeMarcus Ware. He is a technically sound pass rushing machine, who is also well rounded enough to play SAM if needed. Curry and McClain didn't have a shred of pass rushing ability, nor were they supposed to. 

 

I was going to bring up Von Miller but you beat me to it.  Almost identical height, weight, and arm length.  Miller's 40 a touch faster.  But Mack beat him in the more explosive measurables like vertical and broad jump.