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Quote:have you ever taken the time to realize the irony in your name?

 

Have you?

Quote:I don't rightly recall which game it was, but I do remember hearing the boos when his name was announced. Or maybe I'm getting it confused with the time my face was shown on the fan cam. :pinch:

does your face look like your avatar?

Quote:Just on some of the more difficult throws, he kind of lets it hang up in the air sometimes (similar to Nick foles) and then other times he seems like he throws these slow passes that would pick-sixes in the NFL.. he's just very okay to me

 

Now I will say I do like Garrapolo, who doesn't have a big arm but his release and footwork makes up for it

 

I'd rather take Garropolo or Carr
 who are more of a project than miss out on Mack, Clowney or Watkins just because of the desperation at QB

 

Welp, thats pretty much all we needed to see...

 

Your QB opinions mean less now. 

Quote:I disagree. I don't think Manziel is thag great of a prospect. Questionable pocket presence and I don't think he will be able to run around like a chicken with no head.

 

Hey bro I'm not trying to pick a fight, but I don't understand why people feel this way about JFF. Time and time again Johnny stood in the pocket and fired away. He scans the entire field and he finds the open receivers. IMHO he would stay in the pocket too long at times and then the internal clock would go off and he would scramble. But he was not wild or quick to run. Manziel is a pocket passer with elite scrambling ability. If anything the worry with Manziel is if he will get adequate time in the pocket and if the receiving core will readjust their routes once he's evading pressure because at that point he is still going to look down field for a target. Anyone who disputes that part of his game is a hater, or hasn't taken time to watch the games and or film/highlights. 

Quote:Welp, thats pretty much all we needed to see...

 

Your QB opinions mean less now. 

 

But I can have him in round 2 or 3 and get an top 5 edge rusher or wideout

Quote:does your face look like your avatar?

 

Avatar?

Quote:Just on some of the more difficult throws, he kind of lets it hang up in the air sometimes (similar to Nick foles) and then other times he seems like he throws these slow passes that would pick-sixes in the NFL.. he's just very okay to me


Now I will say I do like Garrapolo, who doesn't have a big arm but his release and footwork makes up for it


I'd rather take Garropolo or Carr who are more of a project than miss out on Mack, Clowney or Watkins just because of the desperation at QB

So you don't care about Garrapolo's pretty poor pocket poise.

Quote:But I can have him in round 2 or 3 and get an top 5 edge rusher or wideout

 

I get the one part of your argument....but the other part of your argument is taking a QB in the 2nd round pretty much for the sake of taking one....b/c taking Carr there would be a waste of a selection. You'd be better off selecting one of these guys with a round 3 pick or later: Murray/ Mettenburg or McCarron. I think they have a better chance of having a quality career in the NFL than Carr. 

Quote:Hey bro I'm not trying to pick a fight, but I don't understand why people feel this way about JFF. Time and time again Johnny stood in the pocket and fired away. He scans the entire field and he finds the open receivers. IMHO he would stay in the pocket too long at times and then the internal clock would go off and he would scramble. But he was not wild or quick to run. Manziel is a pocket passer with elite scrambling ability. If anything the worry with Manziel is if he will get adequate time in the pocket and if the receiving core will readjust their routes once he's evading pressure because at that point he is still going to look down field for a target. Anyone who disputes that part of his game is a hater, or hasn't taken time to watch the games and or film/highlights.

Ah the classic if you don't agree then you're a hater or you haven't watched him. I have seen plenty and he bails too soon and never really needs to throw in a crowd. He has one of the best lines in college football. Lsu forced him to win from the pocket and he had one of is worst games. So bro he is not a pocket passer with elite scrambling ability. He is a great scrambler who relies on this ability too often.

Quote:I get the one part of your argument....but the other part of your argument is taking a QB in the 2nd round pretty much for the sake of taking one....b/c taking Carr there would be a waste of a selection. You'd be better off selecting one of these guys with a round 3 pick or later: Murray/ Mettenburg or McCarron. I think they have a better chance of having a quality career in the NFL than Carr. 

 

fair enough... especially because we have an early two and an early three

 

even looking at last years draft, teams were not jumping at QB's based on need.. I think that trend may continue unless QB teams start getting ansy

Quote:Ah the classic if you don't agree then you're a hater or you haven't watched him. I have seen plenty and he bails too soon and never really needs to throw in a crowd. He has one of the best lines in college football. Lsu forced him to win from the pocket and he had one of is worst games. So bro he is not a pocket passer with elite scrambling ability. He is a great scrambler who relies on this ability too often.

His pockets are one of the cleanest I have ever seen and he often has 4-5 seconds to make the initial read and see and wait for the route to open up. Jimmy Clausen and Blaine Gabbert looked like All- American's in clean pockets. Its about how a qb responds to pressure. 

 

He is definitely not a pocket passer

Quote:His pockets are one of the cleanest I have ever seen and he often has 4-5 seconds to make the initial read and see and wait for the route to open up. Jimmy Clausen and Blaine Gabbert looked like All- American's in clean pockets. Its about how a qb responds to pressure. 

 

He is definitely not a pocket passer

 

Gabbert I will give you. He was in the traditional spread and very rarely was under center and almost never had pressure.

 

Clausen though looked like an NFL QB in college. No doubt that having Golden Tate and Michael Floyd helped him immensely but he showed good pocket presence and appeared to have an NFL arm. I can honestly say I don't know what the hell happened to him. He was completely lost in the NFL. Probably alot of that was mental but if it was, he never showed it in college.

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yeahh that makes sense

Quote:Ah the classic if you don't agree then you're a hater or you haven't watched him. I have seen plenty and he bails too soon and never really needs to throw in a crowd. He has one of the best lines in college football. Lsu forced him to win from the pocket and he had one of is worst games. So bro he is not a pocket passer with elite scrambling ability. He is a great scrambler who relies on this ability too often.

 

I totally disagree. You cherry picked the one and only game you had in your hateriffic pockets. Don;t be such a damn slouch. Don't misconstrue designed QB runs/option plays with bailing a clean pocket. And to top it off this game was in a hostile environment in the rain and his receivers dropped many passes in that game. As a whole A&M didn't play well that game. It's a credit to LSU's talent and preperation and defensive scheme. When did Bortles or Bridgewater play similar schedules and overall talent levels? Don't get me wrong both those guys are talented regardless but don't hate just to hate. 

Quote:So you don't care about Garrapolo's pretty poor pocket poise.

 

Poise is a rather general term and it's an easy thing to say about any player, be more specific 

Quote:Poise is a rather general term and it's an easy thing to say about any player, be more specific

He displays some Gabbert issues in the pocket. The old duck and run out the back.

Quote:Poise is a rather general term and it's an easy thing to say about any player, be more specific

He displays some Gabbert issues in the pocket. The old duck and run out the back.

Quote:yeahh that makes sense

 

Oh now you're just being grumpy 

Quote:I totally disagree. You cherry picked the one and only game you had in your hateriffic pockets. Don;t be such a damn slouch. Don't misconstrue designed QB runs/option plays with bailing a clean pocket. And to top it off this game was in a hostile environment in the rain and his receivers dropped many passes in that game. As a whole A&M didn't play well that game. It's a credit to LSU's talent and preperation and defensive scheme. When did Bortles or Bridgewater play similar schedules and overall talent levels? Don't get me wrong both those guys are talented regardless but don't hate just to hate.

My goodness. I'm not hating just to hate. I don't like him as a prospect and given my reasons. You obviously think differently.


Lol I'm a slouch now? I've seen every game just like many many others and he bails early far too often. Sure he will sit in the cleanest of clean pockets sometimes but I haven't seen him make plays from a muddied pocket.


If you are evaluating a qb based on competition then you're doing it wrong. The characteristics are prevalent regardless of competition.