Quote:What if Chad Henne Shocked the world and took us to the playoff?
Chad Henne isnt a horrible QB but he isn't the best either. I would rate him along the same lines as David Garrard in his prime, well i think David was better. Either way neither of them would likely take even a great team to the superbowl and win it, but it certainly wouldnt be because of them like it does with Peyton Manning on the Broncos.
You people are seriously OK with another 4-6 win season with Chad Henne at QB? Cause that's about all we can win with him starting. I'm not OK with that, and I really don't see how anybody else could be OK with that.
Because a 4 win season is exactly what "bridging the gap @ QB" means. It means we're not winning anything and we're back in the cellar.
Quote:You people are seriously OK with another 4-6 win season with Chad Henne at QB? Cause that's about all we can win with him starting. I'm not OK with that, and I really don't see how anybody else could be OK with that.
Because a 4 win season is exactly what "bridging the gap @ QB" means. It means we're not winning anything and we're back in the cellar.
You're not getting significantly more wins than Henne with any other QB. Why is this so difficult to accept. We're still a year or two away no matter who's behind center.
Quote:You people are seriously OK with another 4-6 win season with Chad Henne at QB? Cause that's about all we can win with him starting. I'm not OK with that, and I really don't see how anybody else could be OK with that.
Because a 4 win season is exactly what "bridging the gap @ QB" means. It means we're not winning anything and we're back in the cellar.
So....
Teddy Bridgewater makes us a 10 win team?
Bortles, Manziel, Carr?
I don't think so. They will still be throwing the rock Shorts and some other middle tier WRs. We'll still have a D that is a rather unknown right now with a lot of new faces.
Matter of fact. A rookie is likely to make some mistakes Henne won't. Possibly costing us more games.
Just relax. Henne will no longer be the starter when there is clearly a better option for the long term. It could be a rookie this year, it could be a 2nd year player next season.
In the mean time, Henne could be at the helm and possibly, win more than 4-6 games if the D gets much better and we add a weapon on offense like Watkins.
Back to my original point... who do you have in mind that significantly gets us more wins immediately.
Quote:You're not getting significantly more wins than Henne with any other QB. Why is this so difficult to accept. We're still a year or two away no matter who's behind center.
Quote:So....
Teddy Bridgewater makes us a 10 win team?
Bortles, Manziel, Carr?
I don't think so. They will still be throwing the rock Shorts and some other middle tier WRs. We'll still have a D that is a rather unknown right now with a lot of new faces.
Matter of fact. A rookie is likely to make some mistakes Henne won't. Possibly costing us more games.
Just relax. Henne will no longer be the starter when there is clearly a better option for the long term. It could be a rookie this year, it could be a 2nd year player next season.
In the mean time, Henne could be at the helm and possibly, win more than 4-6 games if the D gets much better and we add a weapon on offense like Watkins.
Back to my original point... who do you have in mind that significantly gets us more wins immediately.
You're not getting it. I'm not saying that a new QB will equal more wins. I'm saying that expecting more wins out of Henne is stupid. He played to his ceiling last season and it was just as unimpressive as he's ever been. He gets garbage time stats when we're being blown out and throws INT's when it does count.
I'm not saying that a new QB means more wins. I'm saying that doing the same thing while expecting a different result is insanity. The only way to get away from the insanity is to change one of the parameters of the equation. The one that is the most easily changed is QB with the 3rd pick of this years draft. And you can't say with certainty that if we do pick a guy like Teddy/Bortles/Johnny that we don't have a chance to shock some people. Maybe we get the pick right and we're South East Seattle this season. You don't know, just as much as I don't know. But one thing we can both agree on is that nothing is going to change at all with Henne under center and there's nothing better than this years' QB's coming out next year either.
I'm saying you can't be afraid to pick your guy and play him. I'm glad Blaine got thrown into the mix when he did. We were able to figure out he wasn't an answer that much sooner. You don't get 6 years in the league as a QB anymore. And in regards to Henne, he's been here for multiple seasons and he's been exactly who he was in Miami. You have to change one of the variables to get a different result.
Don't just sit and wait. Pick the damn QB and play him. It's time to get moving instead of sitting in neutral just revving the engine.
Quote:You're not getting it. I'm not saying that a new QB will equal more wins. I'm saying that expecting more wins out of Henne is stupid. He played to his ceiling last season and it was just as unimpressive as he's ever been. He gets garbage time stats when we're being blown out and throws INT's when it does count.
I'm not saying that a new QB means more wins. I'm saying that doing the same thing while expecting a different result is insanity. The only way to get away from the insanity is to change one of the parameters of the equation. The one that is the most easily changed is QB with the 3rd pick of this years draft. And you can't say with certainty that if we do pick a guy like Teddy/Bortles/Johnny that we don't have a chance to shock some people. Maybe we get the pick right and we're South East Seattle this season. You don't know, just as much as I don't know. But one thing we can both agree on is that nothing is going to change at all with Henne under center and there's nothing better than this years' QB's coming out next year either.
I'm saying you can't be afraid to pick your guy and play him. I'm glad Blaine got thrown into the mix when he did. We were able to figure out he wasn't an answer that much sooner. You don't get 6 years in the league as a QB anymore. And in regards to Henne, he's been here for multiple seasons and he's been exactly who he was in Miami. You have to change one of the variables to get a different result.
Don't just sit and wait. Pick the damn QB and play him. It's time to get moving instead of sitting in neutral just revving the engine.
You can't pick a QB and "just play him" that's how a QB who isn't quite ready gets shell shocked. If he isn't Andrew Luck, Cam Newton, or Matt Ryan, on a bad team he is going to look turrible.
Expecting that the team around Henne can improve and get us more wins isn't crazy at all. If Henne is regulated to game manager with more players, better players, around him he absolutely can be at the helm of an 8 win team.
If Blaine had sat and waited behind a Henne or a Garrard from the go he may have turned out better. I think sitting for Aaron Rodgers was probably great for him, while the higher pick of Alex Smith went through Hell and only was successful once the teams around him were better (9ers and Chiefs)
If we pick a QB he needs to sit, none of these guys, it would seem, are plug and play ready.
Sticking with Henne and thinking the team can perform better on both sides of the ball, and thinking 6-8 wins isn't ridiculous at all.
Quote:You people are seriously OK with another 4-6 win season with Chad Henne at QB? Cause that's about all we can win with him starting. I'm not OK with that, and I really don't see how anybody else could be OK with that.
Because a 4 win season is exactly what "bridging the gap @ QB" means. It means we're not winning anything and we're back in the cellar.
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Maybe some of us would like to see what Henne can do with some talent around him. Henne has moments of brilliance when Blackmon is in the game. Lets Give him a line that can block and receivers who can create plays. Henne has showed Heart and toughness and those are traits you can't teach.
Quote:You people are seriously OK with another 4-6 win season with Chad Henne at QB? Cause that's about all we can win with him starting. I'm not OK with that, and I really don't see how anybody else could be OK with that.
Because a 4 win season is exactly what "bridging the gap @ QB" means. It means we're not winning anything and we're back in the cellar.
There may not be the answer at Qb's for the Jaguars in this draft. There is a very long line of "sure good" Qb's that were drafted in the top 5 and busted. People confuse drafting scared and drafting smart. I dunno what Caldwell see's but I don't see a great QB in the top 5. From the interviews I have watched I don't think Caldwell believes there is a QB in this draft that you can plug in day 1.
Quote:You're not getting it. I'm not saying that a new QB will equal more wins. I'm saying that expecting more wins out of Henne is stupid. He played to his ceiling last season and it was just as unimpressive as he's ever been. He gets garbage time stats when we're being blown out and throws INT's when it does count.
I'm not saying that a new QB means more wins. I'm saying that doing the same thing while expecting a different result is insanity. The only way to get away from the insanity is to change one of the parameters of the equation. The one that is the most easily changed is QB with the 3rd pick of this years draft. And you can't say with certainty that if we do pick a guy like Teddy/Bortles/Johnny that we don't have a chance to shock some people. Maybe we get the pick right and we're South East Seattle this season. You don't know, just as much as I don't know. But one thing we can both agree on is that nothing is going to change at all with Henne under center and there's nothing better than this years' QB's coming out next year either.
I'm saying you can't be afraid to pick your guy and play him. I'm glad Blaine got thrown into the mix when he did. We were able to figure out he wasn't an answer that much sooner. You don't get 6 years in the league as a QB anymore. And in regards to Henne, he's been here for multiple seasons and he's been exactly who he was in Miami. You have to change one of the variables to get a different result.
Don't just sit and wait. Pick the damn QB and play him. It's time to get moving instead of sitting in neutral just revving the engine.
Impatience always works out well. Just ask Gabbert. You don't double down on the lunacy by repeating your same mistakes over again. There's no QB worth the third pick no matter how much you wish to dream it so. The NFL isn't fast food. You don't order what you want and consume it immediately. Good luck to you, I don't think you'll be happy with the Jaguars for another couple years.
Quote:Impatience always works out well. Just ask Gabbert. You don't double down on the lunacy by repeating your same mistakes over again. There's no QB worth the third pick no matter how much you wish to dream it so. The NFL isn't fast food. You don't order what you want and consume it immediately. Good luck to you, I don't think you'll be happy with the Jaguars for another couple years.
Totally agree. We should build the team in such way it will give its QB the best chance to succeed instead of expecting a rookie QB to carry the team. Not many QBs are up that kind of challenge. At this stage of the team, it is best to take the best player available regardless of positions.
I guess I'm the only one here who's not OK with continued bad play at QB. Weird, since I thought we all wanted out team to be better. But everybody seems to just want to stick with bad and not even risk a change that may be for the better. I think years of suffering through Leftwich injuries, Garrard up and downs, and Blaine's follies has made just below average QB play look amazing in a Jags uniform to you guys. Makes me sick.
Skimming through tbis thread and it appears skmr have forgot who chad Henne is. He will always be the same qb. Makes some good throws and makes some what the heck throws. It's just who he is.
The reason some want to draft a qb this year is for following year. I'd rather get the rookie now (if one is available) and let him take his lumps this year so he is ready next. The rebuild isn't complete until you get the qb.
If we draft a qb and he can't beat out Chenne then we probably drafted the wrong guy.
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There's no QB worth the third pick no matter how much you wish to dream it so.
Or maybe that is what the teams in the top 5 want to let everyone thinks, or maybe the teams are wrong in their evaluation of the QB class ?
Henne is NOT taking anyone to the playoffs, have you watched the clown play? lol..
Quote:Henne is NOT taking anyone to the playoffs, have you watched the clown play? lol..
Depends how the team plays. There have been a number of teams that have made the play offs down the years with average quarterbacks. Typically what they need is a decent defense and running game backing them up.
Caldwell has made a point to go out and get the team some pass rushers, and the D-Line as a whole has improved. I think we could use another OLB (eg. Anthony Barr or Khalil Mack), but overall the line backers have talent. And the secondary has some talented young and experienced players. If we throw in a good draft where Caldwell lands a couple of decent defensive players, and Bradley and co work their magic, then if the defense can knock half a dozen points off last season's average it should keep the offense in games (28.1 PPG). Obviously the offense didn't score enough (15.4 PPG), but averaging 3 TDs and a field goal would put the team around the middle of the league based on last season's stats. By averaging 24 PPG on offense and 22 PPG on defense, that could see the team win enough games to make the play offs as a wild card.
Now I'll admit that it is a lot to ask for the defense to cut 6 points and the offense to gain 9 points, but teams have gone from being one of the worst to borderline [if not actual] play off teams. I don't think we'll get there next season, I'd be happy to see the team improve to around .500. But if Caldwell has a good draft, the coaches get the players prepared, and the players play well - then who knows, maybe we can spoil the party and get to the play offs with Henne. To do that he would need to cut down on the mistakes and throw for more TDs, but the team can help him with a strong running game and an improved defense. It is true he isn't the team's answer to its QB position, but QBs of a similar standard and worse have made the play offs before, so hey ho.
Quote:Depends how the team plays. There have been a number of teams that have made the play offs down the years with average quarterbacks. Typically what they need is a decent defense and running game backing them up.
Caldwell has made a point to go out and get the team some pass rushers, and the D-Line as a whole has improved. I think we could use another OLB (eg. Anthony Barr or Khalil Mack), but overall the line backers have talent. And the secondary has some talented young and experienced players. If we throw in a good draft where Caldwell lands a couple of decent defensive players, and Bradley and co work their magic, then if the defense can knock half a dozen points off last season's average it should keep the offense in games (28.1 PPG). Obviously the offense didn't score enough (15.4 PPG), but averaging 3 TDs and a field goal would put the team around the middle of the league based on last season's stats. By averaging 24 PPG on offense and 22 PPG on defense, that could see the team win enough games to make the play offs as a wild card.
Now I'll admit that it is a lot to ask for the defense to cut 6 points and the offense to gain 9 points, but teams have gone from being one of the worst to borderline [if not actual] play off teams. I don't think we'll get there next season, I'd be happy to see the team improve to around .500. But if Caldwell has a good draft, the coaches get the players prepared, and the players play well - then who knows, maybe we can spoil the party and get to the play offs with Henne. To do that he would need to cut down on the mistakes and throw for more TDs, but the team can help him with a strong running game and an improved defense. It is true he isn't the team's answer to its QB position, but QBs of a similar standard and worse have made the play offs before, so hey ho.
Name one team since Tampa that did anything of note in the playoffs with an average or below average QB? Tampa is a stretch in this aspect too. The year Tampa won the SB Johnson started 13 games, threw 230 yds per game, and threw 20 TD's with only 6 INT's. That's not "average" QB play.
Tampa and Seattle also had one other thing in common. They had the best defenses in their respective seasons and amazing running backs. Neither of these we have.
Quote:Name one team since Tampa that did anything of note in the playoffs with an average or below average QB? Tampa is a stretch in this aspect too. The year Tampa won the SB Johnson started 13 games, threw 230 yds per game, and threw 20 TD's with only 6 INT's. That's not "average" QB play.
Tampa and Seattle also had one other thing in common. They had the best defenses in their respective seasons and amazing running backs. Neither of these we have.
Joe Flacco is pretty average.
Quote:Joe Flacco is pretty average.
The year they won the Superbowl in the playoffs he threw 11 TD's, 0 INT's, and 285 yds/gm, and was the SB MVP. That's not average QB play.
No henne will not lead us to playoffs. Unless every other team is injured.
Quote:The year they won the Superbowl in the playoffs he threw 11 TD's, 0 INT's, and 285 yds/gm, and was the SB MVP. That's not average QB play.
And he throws more INTs than TDs the next year. He has an 83.7 career QB rating. That's less than David Garrard.
Face it, he's average.
He got hot for a few games. Average players can get hot. Heck, Henne has gotten hot. Above average players just do it more consistently.