Quote:The same Quinn Gray who you're now saying padded those stats was the guy you labeled the best QB on the roster based on what you're calling "fluff" now.
Yes, I am pointing out that despite his great preseasons, it never raised his appeal on the (trade) market. So to cite Schaub's
preseasons as what made Houston deal for him is laughable. It was the pedigree of Schaub from college. Same would be the case with Mallett.
Quote:Mallett didn't fall to the 3rd because of perception that he couldn't play - he fell because of alleged off field concerns.
Tell me....which Patriots QB including Brady, other than Mallett have looked good in Patriots preseason over the last several years.
Seems to me, it wasn't just a "Mallett" problem.
If Mallett was half the prospect you've tried to portray him to be, some team would have taken the opportunity to trade for him when the Patriots have dangled him out there. He's still a Patriot. They'd love nothing more than to unload him, but they haven't been able to fool anyone but you into thinking he's anything more than a guy who happens to be really tall.
Quote:Yes, I am pointing out that despite his great preseasons, it never raised his appeal on the (trade) market. So to cite Schaub's preseasons as what made Houston deal for him is laughable. It was the pedigree of Schaub from college. Same would be the case with Mallett.
Yet you still declared him to be the best QB on the Jaguars roster. A year later he was out of the league.
Quote:The NE defense has not been good in a while
Its actually been pretty horrible
^^ Yup. Their defense has not been very good. It's a key reason NE has lost a couple AFCC and a couple SB in the past decade.
Quote:They could have put him in during one of their many blowout wins since Mallet has been on the squad. But they didn't.
Then why would you advocating trading a 2nd round pick for Mallet when he wasn't worth that to begin with? You're just throwing away value.
Quote:Because that would be an admission he was wrong about Mallett. The Gene Smith of this message board is never going to do that.
Brunell was drafted initially with a 5th rounder and netted a 3rd + 5th.
Schaub was originally drafted with a 3rd, and eventually netted 2 seconds.
The Patriots trying to deal Mallett for a 2nd despite drafting him for a 3rd seems right in line with those concepts. .
Quote:If Mallett was half the prospect you've tried to portray him to be, some team would have taken the opportunity to trade for him when the Patriots have dangled him out there. He's still a Patriot. They'd love nothing more than to unload him, but they haven't been able to fool anyone but you into thinking he's anything more than a guy who happens to be really tall.
Unless the alleged off field crap is still scaring teams away.
Quote:Yet you still declared him to be the best QB on the Jaguars roster. A year later he was out of the league.
He probably still
was the best QB of
that lot. Lets face it, Leftwich, Garrard and Gray weren't exactly Montana, Marino and Elway.
Why would a team trade a second or third for a qb that has had three years in the league and really hasn't proven himself in the time he's had there? This draft is as deep as it comes with qb's in the second or third round.
I'd rather take my chance there.
Quote:Be the best or one of the top 3 passers in college football when he was there?
....
That count for anything? :blink:
As a matter of fact the only reason that Mallett fell to the 3rd round is because of alleged off field crap.
That point can be argued.
According to the
2009 and
'10 seasons College Football Reference pages, he ranked top three in only one of the metrics that is recorded; the Adjusted Passing Yards Per Attempt Stat. If he was top three, wouldn't he at least lead the country or be close to the top in more than just one?
Quote:That point can be argued.
According to the 2009 and '10 seasons College Football Reference pages, he ranked top three in only one of the metrics that is recorded; the Adjusted Passing Yards Per Attempt Stat. If he was top three, wouldn't he at least lead the country or be close to the top in more than just one?
Fair point, but then you also consider the Conference he played in. Top level competition week in, week out, and he still played very well. Also, all you have to do is watch Mallett play - his YPA numbers were legit - they weren't via a majority of little 5 yard screens and having the WR do all the work. Mallett was an intermediate to deep throwing gunslinger. He was making NFL throws all throughout his last season+ in college.
YPA is probably the most important single stat to gauge a QB. But you just have to make sure that the QB is getting that high YPA from downfield passing and not via mostly a
Sammy Watkins type WR taking 5 yard and under little dump passes and inflating it that way.
Quote:Quinn Gray played great in the preseason too, (as much as I liked him, it proved out that pre season stat padding meant nothing) just stop.....you aren't raising trade value by pre-season performance alone.
You are delusional if you don't think preseason performance is what made guys like Brunell, Hasselbeck and Schaub attractive to the teams that traded for them.
Quote:Be the best or one of the top 3 passers in college football when he was there?....
That count for anything? :blink:
As a matter of fact the only reason that Mallett fell to the 3rd round is because of alleged off field crap.
It really doesn't count for anything. At the top in college =/= the top in NFL. I'd be cool with trading a 4 or 5 for him, but that's obviously not possible.
Quote:That point can be argued.
According to the 2009 and '10 seasons College Football Reference pages, he ranked top three in only one of the metrics that is recorded; the Adjusted Passing Yards Per Attempt Stat. If he was top three, wouldn't he at least lead the country or be close to the top in more than just one?
Didn't he call you out for making stuff up?
The guy who was his OC when he was drafted needs a QB and hasn't traded for him.
What does that tell you?
Quote:Didn't he call you out for making stuff up?
Yeah, you know how I do; I go around writing code for websites that I link to so that I can look all smarts and stuff.
Quote:Didn't he call you out for making stuff up?
Um, way to go around like a 5th grader and instigate.
Me and Deacon already spoke about that.
Quote:The guy who was his OC when he was drafted needs a QB and hasn't traded for him.
What does that tell you?
Draft hasn't happened yet.
Maybe the Patriots are still trying to work deals elsewhere, too.
Quote:Draft hasn't happened yet.
Maybe the Patriots are still trying to work deals elsewhere, too.
Yes, I'm sure that's it. And when no trade actually happens, we can just assume nobody was smart enough to pull the trigger, but dozens of teams were pursuing him.
Quote:That point can be argued.
According to the 2009 and '10 seasons College Football Reference pages, he ranked top three in only one of the metrics that is recorded; the Adjusted Passing Yards Per Attempt Stat. If he was top three, wouldn't he at least lead the country or be close to the top in more than just one?
Let's put this into perspective so you'll understand how TMD arrives at Mallett being a top 3 prospect in his draft.
TMD used one stat, QB rating, to declare David Garrard elite in 2007.
So, in his defense, cherry picking stats is something he's prone to do in order to inflate someone he has a crush on.
Quote:Brunell was drafted initially with a 5th rounder and netted a 3rd + 5th.
Schaub was originally drafted with a 3rd, and eventually netted 2 seconds.
The Patriots trying to deal Mallett for a 2nd despite drafting him for a 3rd seems right in line with those concepts. .
Unless the alleged off field crap is still scaring teams away.
He probably still was the best QB ofthat lot. Lets face it, Leftwich, Garrard and Gray weren't exactly Montana, Marino and Elway.
There hasn't been a peep about off field issues in New England. Keep spinning. Maybe it's just the fact that teams recognize he's not nearly as good as you dream him up to be?
Gray was the king of garbage time stats. In other words, puff stats. Cherry pick much?
Still don't see why anyone would trade anything higher than a 4th or 5th for Mallett. He wasn't all that great a prospect coming out and he hasn't shown any significant progress in 3 years.