Quote:Profiling is only a problem for the ones that seemingly wish to enable harm being done.
I have no problem profiling. If one is doing nothing wrong/ not hiding anything, then they won't get arrested. Profiling is merely "moneyball" but in the realm of security. "Too bad if they don't like it" is how I would handle it. Once the statistics proved to refocus, then any changes would be made by that. Math is colorblind/ ethnic blind.
Problem is, with the well oiled machine that is the TSA any profiling would never go beyond "he's a bit dark, let's search him."
The ONLY thing I can think of that would make a plane vanish entirely is a smuggled suitcase Nuke, but then, someone would have seen a mushroom cloud
Quote:The ONLY thing I can think of that would make a plane vanish entirely is a smuggled suitcase Nuke, but then, someone would have seen a mushroom cloud
The media is reporting the possibility that the plane disintegrated...
Quote:The media is reporting the possibility that the plane disintegrated...
....seems legit
Quote:Profiling is only a problem for the ones that seemingly wish to enable harm being done.
I have no problem profiling. If one is doing nothing wrong/ not hiding anything, then they won't get arrested. Profiling is merely "moneyball" but in the realm of security. "Too bad if they don't like it" is how I would handle it. Once the statistics proved to refocus, then any changes would be made by that. Math is colorblind/ ethnic blind.
until your the one being profiled. I don't accept federal oversight on anything, but I can't really talk about why without violating the COC. I'll just say rarely if ever requiring X group of people to give up Y amounts of privacy/liberty because of Z threat accomplish anything.
the real solution, allow private citizens the ability to defend themselves at all times regardless of where they are.
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the real solution, allow private citizens the ability to defend themselves at all times regardless of where they are.
Oh lord yes, we totally need to allow firearms to be carried in an easily pierced, pressurized metal tube filled with people hurtling along at 85% the speed of sound 6 miles from the ground. What could possibly go wrong?
Quote:until your the one being profiled. I don't accept federal oversight on anything, but I can't really talk about why without violating the COC. I'll just say rarely if ever requiring X group of people to give up Y amounts of privacy/liberty because of Z threat accomplish anything.
the real solution, allow private citizens the ability to defend themselves at all times regardless of where they are.
Oh lord yes, we totally need to allow firearms to be carried in an easily pierced, pressurized metal tube filled with people hurtling along at 85% the speed of sound 6 miles from the ground. What could possibly go wrong?
Touche
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Quote:Oh lord yes, we totally need to allow firearms to be carried in an easily pierced, pressurized metal tube filled with people hurtling along at 85% the speed of sound 6 miles from the ground. What could possibly go wrong?
A misfire?
Quote:The ONLY thing I can think of that would make a plane vanish entirely is a smuggled suitcase Nuke, but then, someone would have seen a mushroom cloud
Aliens.
Quote:The Interpol database has 40 million stolen or missing ID documents in it. No system in the world can check that many listings and still operate efficiently. The TSA does checks at the airport to see if the person on the boarding pass is the same as the person on the passport but it doesn't cross reference every stolen document on Interpol's list.
It also doesn't help that it was released that the airlines dont check that too often even though its there for their availability, does it?
You dont think airlines can do a quick look up of every single person flying on their airline if they wanted to?
Quote:Oh lord yes, we totally need to allow firearms to be carried in an easily pierced, pressurized metal tube filled with people hurtling along at 85% the speed of sound 6 miles from the ground. What could possibly go wrong?
You seem to be pointing out many short comings and trying to disvalue what others think can possibly help (I'm not with the gun thing he mentioned...). What do you suggest be done then? Let an airplane blow up occasionally so we dont infringe on anyone's rights?
Quote:Oh lord yes, we totally need to allow firearms to be carried in an easily pierced, pressurized metal tube filled with people hurtling along at 85% the speed of sound 6 miles from the ground. What could possibly go wrong?
Your assuming having one leads to always using one, besides Marshall's already carry on airplanes and shocker no case of that scary gun bringing a plane down?
Point stands allowing X group to profile Y people is useless just allow people the ability to protect themselves
Quote:Your assuming having one leads to always using one, besides Marshall's already carry on airplanes and shocker no case of that scary gun bringing a plane down?
Point stands allowing X group to profile Y people is useless just allow people the ability to protect themselves
There are too many whack jobs out there that do have guns to be put in a confined space like that.
I'm not saying profiling is fair to everyone, but if its going to save 2 to 300 lives....its for the better good.
Quote:Your assuming having one leads to always using one, besides Marshall's already carry on airplanes and shocker no case of that scary gun bringing a plane down?
Point stands allowing X group to profile Y people is useless just allow people the ability to protect themselves
Federal Air Marshals are trained professionals operating under strict guidelines. They can't even identify themselves unless very specific conditions are met, let alone draw their weapons. They are a far cry from the average person with a gun.
Quote:You seem to be pointing out many short comings and trying to disvalue what others think can possibly help (I'm not with the gun thing he mentioned...). What do you suggest be done then? Let an airplane blow up occasionally so we dont infringe on anyone's rights?
Look at security in Israeli airports. It's fast, efficient, and incredibly effective. Use that model instead of barely sentient rent-a-cops the TSA uses now.
Quote:It also doesn't help that it was released that the airlines dont check that too often even though its there for their availability, does it?
You dont think airlines can do a quick look up of every single person flying on their airline if they wanted to?
A quick look up is viable if the list you're checking against is small and only takes a few seconds to check. The check every document against a list of 40 million would take days possibly even weeks for every flight. It's just not realistic.
Quote:Look at security in Israeli airports. It's fast, efficient, and incredibly effective. Use that model instead of barely sentient rent-a-cops the TSA uses now.
Haha, one of the major reasons Israeli airports are so "efficient" is because they profile......
Pretty interesting article.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_p...urity.html
Ericc85,
You're a cool guy, but letting Jim Bob Sixshooter on a plane with a gun is the craziest thing I've ever heard.
I get it guns on a plane it's a scary concept. I just like it BETTER then TSA screening and selecting who's a threat and who's not. Maybe it has to do with my distrust of all forms of authority?????
Quote:I get it guns on a plane it's a scary concept. I just like it BETTER then TSA screening and selecting who's a threat and who's not. Maybe it has to do with my distrust of all forms of authority?????
Why do I think you're working on a manifesto in your free time? :woot: