Quote:You can't manufacture a franchise QB, force something that isn't there.
You can only find franchise QBs when they are available, not when convenient. Just because you need one, doesn't mean your "savior" will be immediately available to you.
That's pretty much the gist of what he's saying. Like it or not, sometimes you have to buy your time until you can get the right guy. Even if it means holding on to guys like Henne while you continue to pursue your QB of the future.
Was Brunell a franchise QB?
Were the Jaguars wrong in getting him?
Quote:False dilemma. There are lots of QBs better than Henne around. Just because he doesn't waste draft picks on guys who aren't worth taking doesn't mean he shouldn't sign someone in free agency who isn't afraid to throw the ball more than 3 yards past the line of scrimmage unless it's to the other team.
And who are these Quarterbacks that are available? What are they going to cost in terms of Salary, Signing Bonuses, and/or draft picks?
I'm not asking to be belligerent, I simply don't know who you could be referring to that would be any better than what we have
when you consider the costs involved.
Quote:And who are these Quarterbacks that are available? What are they going to cost in terms of Salary, Signing Bonuses, and/or draft picks?
I'm not asking to be belligerent, I simply don't know who you could be referring to that would be any better than what we have when you consider the costs involved.
These guys, if they make it to free agency as they are scheduled to, are all guys I'd consider as people I'd favor bringing in to show Henne and Gabbert the door:
Freeman, McCown, Jackson, or Wallace.
The rest of the guys are arguably just more of the same as Henne, but I wouldn't be upset at Caldwell bringing anyone in just to see some fresh competition and get some perspective for the coaches.
As for the costs, I don't propose trading for someone, that's more of a waste than drafting someone. At least drafting someone there's a chance they're better than their draft position. If you trade for someone it's almost definite that they're not elite material, or the team wouldn't let them go.
Their salary costs are almost irrelevant. This team has so much cap space that the more pressing issue is what happens to the team and the fan base if they go into another season getting piledriven by every team they play because they're starting one of the two proven losers already here again.
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Their salary costs are almost irrelevant. This team has so much cap space that the more pressing issue is what happens to the team and the fan base if they go into another season getting piledriven by every team they play because they're starting one of the two proven losers already here again.
But when we hopefully draft well enough to need to resign our own players top dollar, these bad contracts will prevent us to do so.
I'd take Michael Vick over Henne. If we stick with Henne, it will be another 4-5 win season.
Quote:But when we hopefully draft well enough to need to resign our own players top dollar, these bad contracts will prevent us to do so.
You think any of those free agents are getting top dollar contracts?
Just cut Marcedes if it's a problem.
The few million any of the free agent QBs will get are irrelevant to the future. The team doesn't even have any guys that are pressing to sign again right now. Who do you see in the immediate future that's going to suck up 50 million dollars in cap space to make paying a few million to a free agent QB a problem?
Quote:If he doesn't pick a quarterback in the 1st two rounds, Gabbert will be brought back from the dead and will be starting day 1.
Henne was chosen over Gabbert when Gabbert was healthy, so I doubt it.
Quote:You think any of those free agents are getting top dollar contracts?
Just cut Marcedes if it's a problem.
The few million any of the free agent QBs will get are irrelevant to the future. The team doesn't even have any guys that are pressing to sign again right now. Who do you see in the immediate future that's going to suck up 50 million dollars in cap space to make paying a few million to a free agent QB a problem?
Agreed. This team can't stick with this QB situation going into this season.
Quote:These guys, if they make it to free agency as they are scheduled to, are all guys I'd consider as people I'd favor bringing in to show Henne and Gabbert the door:
Freeman, McCown, Jackson, or Wallace.
The rest of the guys are arguably just more of the same as Henne, but I wouldn't be upset at Caldwell bringing anyone in just to see some fresh competition and get some perspective for the coaches.
As for the costs, I don't propose trading for someone, that's more of a waste than drafting someone. At least drafting someone there's a chance they're better than their draft position. If you trade for someone it's almost definite that they're not elite material, or the team wouldn't let them go.
Their salary costs are almost irrelevant. This team has so much cap space that the more pressing issue is what happens to the team and the fan base if they go into another season getting piledriven by every team they play because they're starting one of the two proven losers already here again.
I'm of the opinion that none of those four are long-term answers at the QB position. From that perspective, it seems to me that changing out Henne with any of them is simply change for change's sake; something I do not think has any merit.
Henne had bad games, and he's probably going to have a few more but I'm willing to let him continue on here until a better, long-term answer is found.
I love when Prisco writes about the Jags. He does a good job with them.
I can't wait to see what Caldwell and Co. do this offseason. It's really exciting to finally have the right people in place.
And I'm all for having an open door policy, but it's a little silly to leave the door open when you go to lunch, especially if you have your own draft board in your room. All it would take is for someone to go in an snap a pic with their iphone and the word would be out.
Quote:Agreed. This team can't stick with this QB situation going into this season.
When every team you play except for the utter dregs of the league are sitting starters in the third quarter and having a sideline party and good laugh during the game that is an indication that no one is afraid of your QB.
I don't expect to find an elite guy in free agency, but if Henne is Caldwell's answer then he's asking the wrong questions.
Quote:When every team you play except for the utter dregs of the league are sitting starters in the third quarter and having a sideline party and good laugh during the game that is an indication that no one is afraid of your QB.
Not really your QB, just your entire team.
And there weren't any sideline parties in the 2nd half of the year. The Jags are banking on the fact that the last 8 games (except the last one) were an improvement and competitive.
Quote:I love when Prisco writes about the Jags. He does a good job with them.
I can't wait to see what Caldwell and Co. do this offseason. It's really exciting to finally have the right people in place.
How do you know we have the right people in place? That's what everyone was saying about Gene Smith and company.
Quote:When every team you play except for the utter dregs of the league are sitting starters in the third quarter and having a sideline party and good laugh during the game that is an indication that no one is afraid of your QB.
I don't expect to find an elite guy in free agency, but if Henne is Caldwell's answer then he's asking the wrong questions.
Yet your answer for the same question is Josh Freeman?
lol
Quote:Not really your QB, just your entire team.
And there weren't any sideline parties in the 2nd half of the year. The Jags are banking on the fact that the last 8 games (except the last one) were an improvement and competitive.
It's the QB. When a team feels no fear of you coming back and getting into the game when the NFL's rules are all slanted in favor of team's coming back and getting into a game it's all about the QB. Teams don't start celebrating the win in the 3rd quarter when they're up by a couple of scores against teams that have good QBs.
Quote:Yet your answer for the same question is Josh Freeman?
lol
My answer is stop the insanity (doing the same thing over and over again) and churn some roster.
McCown wouldn't be a bad option. Like I stated before, I wouldn't mind Vick for a year.
Quote:What that quote tells me its bridgewater or bust because the other qb's don't standout as franchise guys. Bridgewater seems to me more like matt ryan than any other guy in this draft.
No, what that quote should tell you is that Caldwell is not tipping his hand. He made a very wise statement, but at the same time, it's completely noncommittal.
McCown, Vick, this sounds more like desperation and that is a poor place to deal from.
They don't know the system and I can't see them any better than Henne for this year.
You get your guy when you believe he is your guy and not before.
Don't be suprised we pass or trade back, adding talent in the build.
Patience is difficult.
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