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Jungle Cat, what you seem to not realize yet is ACL tears do not shorten or ruin careers most of the time. Many players are not as good as they used to be the next season, but they are still very good and get their starting jobs back. I almost never read about a player retiring because he tore his ACL. And don't get me started on Robert Griffin - the Redskins failed him by not putting him on the PUP list in preseason. Sam Bradford and Jake Long are more likely to be like Tom Brady, who was injured in the opener, had surgery in October, and was fine when training camp started, than anyone who lost his job or retired because of an ACL tear.

Quote:Jungle Cat, what you seem to not realize yet is ACL tears do not shorten or ruin careers most of the time. Many players are not as good as they used to be the next season, but they are still very good and get their starting jobs back. I almost never read about a player retiring because he tore his ACL. And don't get me started on Robert Griffin - the Redskins failed him by not putting him on the PUP list in preseason. Sam Bradford and Jake Long are more likely to be like Tom Brady, who was injured in the opener, had surgery in October, and was fine when training camp started, than anyone who lost his job or retired because of an ACL tear.

Yikes... and you say Jungle Cat doesn't have a brain?


For someone who has a disability, you sure do like to make ignorant posts about others opinions.

For anyone who thinks there is a chance the Rams will pick a quarterback at #2 because Sam Bradford sucks and has a torn ACL:

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000...isher-says

 

Jeff Fisher said, ". . . Sam's our quarterback. He's going to be under center."

 

Fisher added that Bradford took on a leadership role last season and is "doing great" in his rehab from ACL surgery.

 

<p style="font-family:arial, verdana, helvetica;color:rgb(34,34,33);">The head coach's support echoes that of general manager Les Snead, who said last month that he would not entertain the idea of drafting a quarterback at No. 2 overall.

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<p style="font-family:arial, verdana, helvetica;color:rgb(34,34,33);">There you go. No matter what anyone else says, Bradford will be a Ram next season. If they pick a quarterback, they will do it much later.

Quote:To the contrary, to suggest that Jeff Fisher has no inclination to draft Jake Matthews based on reputation is totally off-base. Fisher relied heavily on Bruce Matthews over the years, he knows Jake is not only the top college football player in this draft, he's elite, franchise quality talent. He knows all about Jake. Don't kid around.

 

ACL reconstruction has a lot to do with what the Rams do with their second pick. You might not be aware that St. Louis has two offensive starters rehabbing. Along with Sam Bradford is starting left tackle Jake Long.

 



 

 

 

I already explained Long's injury on page 2.

 

http://jungle.jaguars.com/index.php?/top...ntry132943

Quote:Jeff Fisher said, ". . . Sam's our quarterback. He's going to be under center."

 

<p style="font-family:arial, verdana, helvetica;color:rgb(34,34,33);">The head coach's support echoes that of general manager Les Snead, who said last month that he would not entertain the idea of drafting a quarterback at No. 2 overall.

I don't think it's likely that the Rams draft a QB at 2 overall, but at this time of year, everything coaches and GMs say about the draft is a lie. Fisher and Snead would hardly be the first tandem to say one thing and do the complete opposite. Does it win them friends in the agent world? Not likely, and it definitely tweaks their players, but if they believe that Bradford isn't a championship QB and someone at the top of this draft is, they'd be nuts not to pull the trigger.

Quote:I don't think it's likely that the Rams draft a QB at 2 overall, but at this time of year, everything coaches and GMs say about the draft is a lie. Fisher and Snead would hardly be the first tandem to say one thing and do the complete opposite. Does it win them friends in the agent world? Not likely, and it definitely tweaks their players, but if they believe that Bradford isn't a championship QB and someone at the top of this draft is, they'd be nuts not to pull the trigger.

 

You don't know everything people say is a lie. Cleveland's GM said he already knows which quarterback he would pick at #4 if the draft was tomorrow, but did not name one of them.

I think the post combine results showing Kouandjio's disastrous results, including supposedly a very bad physical, may change the analysis somewhat.

 

Of course we can't know for certain how the Rams had him evaluated, but the pro combine speculation/consensus was that Kouandjio seemed to be a mid first round talent at T, and would have been a good fit for the Rams with their second first round pick at 13 if they decided to go elsewhere at 2.

 

Now, the talk is that the Alabama tackle will slide down to the 2nd or 3rd round, and that he looked so bad in drills, some are saying he can't play tackle at all and will have to move inside to G.  Conversely, Auburn's Greg Robinson and Texas A&M's Jake Matthews had great and good combines, respectively.  Robinson's stock will likely soar, and some speculation has him, not Matthews, as the top T by May's draft.

 

Do you think that changes the analysis over what the Rams will do at #2, since there may not be a viable mid first round LT alternative for them?

Quote:You don't know everything people say is a lie.

and you can't know it's the truth either

 

Del Rio: Leftwich will be our starter

Quote:Do you think that changes the analysis over what the Rams will do at #2, since there may not be a viable mid first round LT alternative for them?

unless they're sold on one of these QBs, I can't imagine them not going OT at #2, unless they trade down

 

IMO, the 3rd OT taken won't make it past it the NYG, and the drop off from there looks to be significant

Quote:unless they're sold on one of these QBs, I can't imagine them not going OT at #2, unless they trade down

 

IMO, the 3rd OT taken won't make it past it the NYG, and the drop off from there looks to be significant

As one who wants either Bridgewater or Clowney to be our first pick, I hope you are right.

I see them taking an OT unless...

 

They trade Bradford to the Texans in order to select their own new QB with the first overall.

Quote:As one who wants either Bridgewater or Clowney to be our first pick, I hope you are right.

I'm with you 100%, although Mack or Watkins would be a nice consolation prize, dream scenario is Bortles going #1, Matthews #2

Quote:I see them taking an OT unless...

 

They trade Bradford to the Texans in order to select their own new QB with the first overall.

 

A curious scenario.

 

I could kinda see the rationale for Houston to make the deal (the team is talented enough to win with an experienced QB), but how does that benefit the Rams?

 

What would be the trade consideration-i.e. what would the Texans give up to make the Rams interested in trading Bradford?

Quote:I'm with you 100%, although Mack or Watkins would be a nice consolation prize, dream scenario is Bortles going #1, Matthews #2

 

Yes, either of them would be nice consolation prizes (especially if they came with some extra picks thrown in).  I would put Manziel at one in that dream scenario. 

 

But I had a discussion earlier about a trade down scenario.

 

One floated on the board was a trade with Atlanta, where they send us their 2nd round pick and their 4th round pick to swap places in the first.

 

That deal would give us the #6 overall, 2 2nd round picks, a 3rd round pick, 3 4th round picks and 3 5th round picks.

 

What would you do with all of those 4th and 5th round picks?

 

Would you package them in an attempt to move up into first or 2nd round, or keep them in the effort to accumulate depth, maybe find a starter or two, and foster competition?

 

Assume that Bridgewater is off the board but Clowney is still on the board.

Quote:I see them taking an OT unless...


They trade Bradford to the Texans in order to select their own new QB with the first overall.

Never going to happen. This isn't Madden

Quote:...
 

One floated on the board was a trade with Atlanta, where they send us their 2nd round pick and their 4th round pick to swap places in the first.

 

That deal would give us the #6 overall, 2 2nd round picks, a 3rd round pick, 3 4th round picks and 3 5th round picks.

 

What would you do with all of those 4th and 5th round picks?

 

Would you package them in an attempt to move up into first or 2nd round, or keep them in the effort to accumulate depth, maybe find a starter or two, and foster competition?

 

Assume that Bridgewater is off the board but Clowney is still on the board.

 

This kind of a haul is what would probably be needed for me to walk by Clowney. I like the idea of stockpiling picks and everything, but I don't like walking away from a draft spot when you have a potentially special player on the board. We have a top three selection in a draft that may have as many as four of those type of players in it. Maybe it's just me, but I'd rather have one special guy instead of three average starters.

 

If I took that Atlanta trade, I'd package at least two of those Fourth and Fifth rounders in an effort to get back into the Second.

Quote:This kind of a haul is what would probably be needed for me to walk by Clowney. I like the idea of stockpiling picks and everything, but I don't like walking away from a draft spot when you have a potentially special player on the board. We have a top three selection in a draft that may have as many as four of those type of players in it. Maybe it's just me, but I'd rather have one special guy instead of three average starters.

 

If I took that Atlanta trade, I'd package at least two of those Fourth and Fifth rounders in an effort to get back into the Second.

Just to be clear, we'd get three picks from Atlanta-their first round pick, their 2nd round pick, and their 4th round pick, for the #3 overall and the right to get Clowney.  Those other 4th and 5 round picks are from trades we already made.  You used the term "haul" to describe the compensation from Atlanta, and I want to make sure we're (all reading this) on the same page.

 

If I took the Atlanta deal (and I'm not sure I would), I think I'd be inclined to use the picks to move around...though it would not be an easy decision.

 

Given the supposed depth of this draft and all of the needs on our roster, I think the chances are better than normal that we could find contributors-if not starters-in the 4th and 5th rounds.  Assuming we signed an interior OL and a DE in free agency, we'd still have needs going into the draft looking something like this:

 

QB

RB

WR

TE (maybe)

G (assuming a Free agent C signing)

DE

DT

OLB

 

Let's assume a first three rounds where OLB/LEO is addressed (Mack), QB (Carr), and maybe a DE and a CB

 

We'd still have needs at RB, WR, TE (at least backup/successor to Marcedes Lewis), LG, DT, OLB (Even with Mack, we could still use another OLB) with 6 picks in the 4th and 5th rounds.

 

If you wanted to hedge your bets at QB. you could add another QB to that mix.

 

The temptation to keep those mid round picks to address those needs would be considerable.  Of course, those needs would have to be balanced against the likelihood you could address all of those needs with those picks, vs. getting a better quality player who could start earlier and having fewer day 3 picks.

 

Like I said...I think I'd use those picks to deal up-which may be a necessity to get a QB early-but I would wrestle with that decision.

 

Subquestion:  Assuming not every need can/will be filled, which of these needs absolutely must be filled to get this team to respectability in 2014 (respectability=7 wins or better)?  What can we live without being filled this year?

Quote:Just to be clear, we'd get three picks from Atlanta-their first round pick, their 2nd round pick, and their 4th round pick, for the #3 overall and the right to get Clowney.  Those other 4th and 5 round picks are from trades we already made.  You used the term "haul" to describe the compensation from Atlanta, and I want to make sure we're (all reading this) on the same page. 1.


 

If I took the Atlanta deal (and I'm not sure I would), I think I'd be inclined to use the picks to move around...though it would not be an easy decision.

 

Given the supposed depth of this draft and all of the needs on our roster, I think the chances are better than normal that we could find contributors-if not starters-in the 4th and 5th rounds.  Assuming we signed an interior OL and a DE in free agency, we'd still have needs going into the draft looking something like this:

 

QB

RB

WR

TE (maybe)

G (assuming a Free agent C signing)

DE

DT

OLB

 

Let's assume a first three rounds where OLB/LEO is addressed (Mack), QB (Carr), and maybe a DE and a CB 2.


 

We'd still have needs at RB, WR, TE (at least backup/successor to Marcedes Lewis), LG, DT, OLB (Even with Mack, we could still use another OLB) with 6 picks in the 4th and 5th rounds.

 

If you wanted to hedge your bets at QB. you could add another QB to that mix.

 

The temptation to keep those mid round picks to address those needs would be considerable.  Of course, those needs would have to be balanced against the likelihood you could address all of those needs with those picks, vs. getting a better quality player who could start earlier and having fewer day 3 picks.

 

Like I said...I think I'd use those picks to deal up-which may be a necessity to get a QB early-but I would wrestle with that decision.

 

Subquestion:  Assuming not every need can/will be filled, which of these needs absolutely must be filled to get this team to respectability in 2014 (respectability=7 wins or better)?  What can we live without being filled this year? 3.

 

1. I'm wit'cha

 

2. If we drop to #6, will Mack still be around? That's the question - and subsequent answer - that I am struggling with about the Atlanta trade. I just feel like it drops us out of reach of the really special players at the top of this draft. History will most likely prove me wrong, but that's nothing new.

 

3. I am of the opinion that if this team shores up the Interior Offensive Line with Free Agency, adds talent to the RB position via the draft or FA, and then adds significant playmakers on the Defense, that the team can pull off seven wins nest season. I state this because I don't see any Defense in the our Division being strong enough to hold down the Offense while our own Defense stifles their attack. Basically, since we're in a weak division, I think we can use that to our advantage.

Quote:1. I'm wit'cha

 

2. If we drop to #6, will Mack still be around? That's the question - and subsequent answer - that I am struggling with about the Atlanta trade. I just feel like it drops us out of reach of the really special players at the top of this draft. History will most likely prove me wrong, but that's nothing new.

 

3. I am of the opinion that if this team shores up the Interior Offensive Line with Free Agency, adds talent to the RB position via the draft or FA, and then adds significant playmakers on the Defense, that the team can pull off seven wins nest season. I state this because I don't see any Defense in the our Division being strong enough to hold down the Offense while our own Defense stifles their attack. Basically, since we're in a weak division, I think we can use that to our advantage.

So we could get to respectability without a quarterback?

Quote:So we could get to respectability without a quarterback?

 

I think we could.   I think Henne is a good enough caretaker QB.   I'll be specific.   Here are how I think we could reach 7-9 with Henne.  

 

Premium free agent center. 

Second tier free agent WR.   Starting quality. 

 

Trade with Atlanta and get their 2nd round pick (and their # 6 overall pick, of course)

 

6th pick in the draft, Khalil Mack

Atlanta's 2nd round pick- WR

Our 2nd round pick- OG

3rd round pick- RB. 

 

Do what you want with rest of our picks.  Take the best players available.   But basically, what I'm saying is if we fill our needs at Center, OG, WR, LB, and RB, with at least two of those being premium players and none of the rest of them being busts, I think we can reach 7-9 with Henne.   The whole idea is that we give him better protection and more weapons.  

 

I think I have more respect for Henne than a lot of people on this message board.  I think he's a below average QB, but with a team around him, he could get us to respectability.