Quote:So he coached as rookie that has gone on to be one of the best QBs in the league and the other two guys had the best seasons of their career while he was OC.
I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. if you are trying to say his coaching influence ruins QBs, Derek Carr disproves that. If you are trying to say he can't lead a QB to have career performances, both Freeman and Bortles disprove that.
Either way, this is a strawman argument because it has nothing to do with the discussion of play calling.
Talking about how Olsen is let go after a couple years everywhere he goes and players either regress in their 2nd season with him or take off after he leaves has nothing to do with playcalling?
Like I said, go ask the Raider fanbase about Carr with Olsen callung the plays and what Carr looked like after he was let go. Id say that has to do with playcalling, on top of coaching that isnt getting the most out of young players like he should which also influences playcalling as you stated above. Poor QB play makes it so you have to run a simple offense. Id say our coaching probably has something to do with bortles regression
Quote:Who is going to scheme up a creative play with a turnover prone qb? He is the reason the gamelan became basic not vice versa.
Don't you think if we were more creative there would be fewer turnovers? A limited playbook makes it too/ easy for the defense so they know how to intercept Blake.
Quote:Don't you think if we were more creative there would be fewer turnovers? A limited playbook makes it too/ easy for the defense so they know how to intercept Blake.
Actually, no. You can't trust the decision making. Let's pass our 1000 level courses before we add in senior level stuff.
Quote:Don't you think if we were more creative there would be fewer turnovers? A limited playbook makes it too/ easy for the defense so they know how to intercept Blake.
Putting more on the plate of a young struggling QB is not going to help in any facet.
Quote:Putting more on the plate of a young struggling QB is not going to help in any facet.
Take a time warp to 2015. The same young QB was great with a bigger playbook.
Quote:Take a time warp to 2015. The same young QB was great with a bigger playbook.
You mean when Blakes mechaincs werent messed up?
Imagine that...
Quote:You mean when Blake's mechanics weren't messed up?
Imagine that...
Yes, of course. They are all fixable.
Quote:Carr disproves that? Than why the hell was he let go so quickly? Why were Raiders fans rejoicing because Olsen wasnt playing to Carrs strengths and thought he was an awful OC?
Seriously, go ask any Raiders fan about Carr with Olsen and after he was let go. He took off after Olsen left. His first year wasnt impressive at all.
It disproves your stawman argument that he is somehow the reason QBs regress.
Quote:It disproves your stawman argument that he is somehow the reason QBs regress.
How do you figure? Bortles went from a top 15-18 2nd year QB who has been a bottom 5 QB in the league this year. Carr was clearly held back and put in an offense that didnt fit his strengths. Freeman was once viewed as one of the better young qbs in the game.
Let go of all those situations early on.
That clearly doesnt mean anything though. Youre right.
Quote:How do you figure? Bortles went from a top 15-18 2nd year QB who has been a bottom 5 QB in the league this year. Carr was clearly held back and put in an offense that didnt fit his strengths. Freeman was once viewed as one of the better young qbs in the game.
Let go of all those situations early on.
That clearly doesnt mean anything though. Youre right.
It just seems like you're ignoring the decision making. Or the ducks for that matter. If he was playing even average that would be enough. He has failed for three different OC's. Scapegoating Olson doesn't absolve Blake.
Quote:It just seems like you're ignoring the decision making. Or the ducks for that matter. If he was playing even average that would be enough. He has failed for three different OC's. Scapegoating Olson doesn't absolve Blake.
Blake Bortles was great with Greg Olson last year. He actually was not terrible with Jedd Fisch for being a developmental rookie. If you want to talk about failure, only one guy counts.
Quote:It just seems like you're ignoring the decision making. Or the ducks for that matter. If he was playing even average that would be enough. He has failed for three different OC's. Scapegoating Olson doesn't absolve Blake.
Im not saying Bortles doesnt have major flaws and theres no blaming him. But Olsen and co. are the coaches that are supposed to keep his mechanics solid and not allow for this regression. Thats coaching.
Blake is and always will be a gunslinger. He made bad throws last year too. Thats what you the Jaguars sogned up for when they got Blake. Blake was able to make it so people didnt care about that last year because he is a gamer and made other huge plays while trying to force things. Thsts what happens. Theres going to be good and bad. Stafford, Favre, etc are/were thr same way (not that im putting Blake on their level).
Blake had Jedd freaking Fisch as his OC to start out. Went to CAL and worked with coaches to improve his mechanics and he balled out last year. Didnt this year and the Jaguars coaches allowed Blake to get to this point. Sure its on Blakr too, but a good coaching staff doesnt lwt a young QB get to this point without trying to fix this. The fact Blake brought in his own guy from California to try and help midseason makes this staff look like an even bigger joke.
Quote:How do you figure? Bortles went from a top 15-18 2nd year QB who has been a bottom 5 QB in the league this year. Carr was clearly held back and put in an offense that didnt fit his strengths. Freeman was once viewed as one of the better young qbs in the game.
Let go of all those situations early on.
That clearly doesnt mean anything though. Youre right.
I'm sorry, I didn't realize that the OC is calling dead duck plays, or designing plays to be thrown behind the receiver, or in the dirt, or out of bounds in critical 3rd and 4th down situations, or to the opposing defender for a pick six.
You are right, all of these unoriginal play calls are squarely on the OC.
Quote:I'm sorry, I didn't realize that the OC is calling dead duck plays, or designing plays to be thrown behind the receiver, or in the dirt, or out of bounds in critical 3rd and 4th down situations, or to the opposing defender for a pick six.
You are right, all of these unoriginal play calls are squarely on the OC.
I swear you arent reading half of what im saying.
This isnt purely playcalling on Olsen. Allowing a young QB to revert back to his mechanics from college is pathetic and definitely has to do with coaching. Does Blake take a part in that? Sure.
Olsen's playcslling on top of him and the rest of the offensive staff letting Bortles get to the point he is now is utterly pathetic and is why he was fired. You think if Blakes mechanics didnt go to [BLEEP] under Olsens watch he would be out thendoor and wed be 2-11?
Bortles is [BLEEP] and Olson is also [BLEEP].
Blake went and worked with Tom House last year to fix his mechanics because our offensive coaches couldnt. Has a great year.
This year, he doesnt, clear as day in TC, and we continue to let them deterioate to the level they are causing Blake to have to call out to someone who works for House to bring him in DURING the season to help work on them because this staff is incompetent.
Yup, ok.
A young raw QB like Blake needs good coaching. That was clear as day when he was coming out. After he got good coaching from outside the org. He throws for 35 tds and looks like a franchise qb. Goes one offseason without them and turns into this.
But yeah, gotta love Olsen. Hope our new HC brings him back.
Quote:I'm not saying Bortles doesn't have major flaws and there's no blaming him. But Olson and co. are the coaches that are supposed to keep his mechanics solid and not allow for this regression. That's coaching.
Blake is and always will be a gunslinger. He made bad throws last year too. That's what you the Jaguars signed up for when they got Blake. Blake was able to make it so people didn't care about that last year because he is a gamer and made other huge plays while trying to force things. That's what happens. There's going to be good and bad. Stafford, Favre, etc. are/were the same way (not that I'm putting Blake on their level).
Blake had Jedd freaking Fisch as his OC to start out. Went to CAL and worked with coaches to improve his mechanics and he balled out last year. Didn't this year and the Jaguars coaches allowed Blake to get to this point. Sure its on Blake too, but a good coaching staff doesn't let a young QB get to this point without trying to fix this. The fact Blake brought in his own guy from California to try and help midseason makes this staff look like an even bigger joke.
I have said this several times before and nobody listens to me. Brett Favre owns the NFL career interceptions record. This is overlooked because of all his other stats, of course. Blake Bortles is like Favre in how he takes risks that result in interceptions, which is a good QB trait. I don't really see that in Matthew Stafford, but a certain poster knows more about him.
The big question obviously is why didn't Blake work with Tom House in the 2016 offseason? He is ultra-competitive and always wants to get better. It worked for him last year. So his decision to get lazy this year, if you want to call it that, makes no sense.
He worked with his own guys here and in CAL this offseason instead. He wasnt lazy. He just didnt focus on mechanics because he thought they were cured. Unfortunately thats not how it works and hes learning that first hand.
You throw and have certain footwork a certain way all your life like Blake and it takes constant work to keep it up. Its easy to revert back.
Quote:I'm sorry, I didn't realize that the OC is calling dead duck plays, or designing plays to be thrown behind the receiver, or in the dirt, or out of bounds in critical 3rd and 4th down situations, or to the opposing defender for a pick six.
You are right, all of these unoriginal play calls are squarely on the OC.
You are acting like you don't read a single word of C-Dub's posts. His point is both Greg and Blake share the blame for his regression this year. How is this so difficult to understand?
Quote:I swear you arent reading half of what im saying.
This isnt purely playcalling on Olsen. Allowing a young QB to revert back to his mechanics from college is pathetic and definitely has to do with coaching. Does Blake take a part in that? Sure.
Olsen's playcslling on top of him and the rest of the offensive staff letting Bortles get to the point he is now is utterly pathetic and is why he was fired. You think if Blakes mechanics didnt go to [BAD WORD REMOVED] under Olsens watch he would be out thendoor and wed be 2-11?
The problem is you can't make a proper assessment of play calling when your QB can't execute half the plays.
Guys that play like Gabbert and like Bortles this season, ham string your play calls because you can't trust them to make the difficult creative plays without disaster. They also are constantly putting you in difficult down and distance situations due to bumbling plays and allow for the defense to concentrate on defending the other aspects of the offense because they don't fear the QB play.
The greatest OC of all time would look like garbage with a QB playing like Blake because he will have to call plays from the stand point of constantly being behind the 8 ball.
The bottom line is that until Blake gets his act together or gets replaced, no OC is going to be able to come in and fix this offense.