against the number 3 draft pick? I don't get it especially with today's NFL where the success and failures of a franchise is depended on the quarterback position. It's the one position on the team that I don't fix with a Band-Aid and for people who are waiting for the Andrew luck type prospect will be waiting forever because they are once in a generation talent. So why people shouting out Jimmy G, David Fales, or AJ "pistol pete" McCarron with our later draft picks so we can get a pass rusher in the first round just please give me Teddy B, Blake Brotles, or Johnny Football with the number 3 pick because I think they can upgrade this team in a heartbeat.
Can the moderator please edit my title of quarterback on my topic headline because I made a mistake base on the fact I was typing to fast.
Quote:against the number 3 draft pick? I don't get it especially with today's NFL where the success and failures of a franchise is depended on the quarterback position. It's the one position on the team that I don't fix with a Band-Aid and for people who are waiting for the Andrew luck type prospect will be waiting forever because they are once in a generation talent. So why people shouting out Jimmy G, David Fales, or AJ "pistol pete" McCarron with our later draft picks so we can get a pass rusher in the first round just please give me Teddy B, Blake Brotles, or Johnny Football with the number 3 pick because I think they can upgrade this team in a heartbeat.
The simple answer is that many don't think any of the QBs (or only one of them) is a sure-thing franchise QB - and therefore not worth a pick at #3 overall.
While available pass rushers' talent level tends to plummet after the first round.
I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that Caldwell takes a QB in the 2nd or 3rd round - but if he truly grades a QB worth the #3 overall - he'll pull the trigger.
The people against picking a quarterback at #3 are Jadaveon Clowney fans who are blind to the obvious fact that the drop in talent is much greater for quarterbacks than it is for defensive ends. They are in favor of picking the BAP regardless of position because they do not understand doing that will put elite players on the bench while not fixing 10 or more problems. Every time I explain that is bad the idiots who disagree with me just try to argue I am wrong.
I think it is more above value and the thought process that the top 3 QBs are not much better then 4-8
Quote:The simple answer is that many don't think any of the QBs (or only one of them) is a sure-thing franchise QB - and therefore not worth a pick at #3 overall.
While available pass rushers' talent level tends to plummet after the first round.
I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that Caldwell takes a QB in the 2nd or 3rd round - but if he truly grades a QB worth the #3 overall - he'll pull the trigger.
The Dee Ford thread makes me think there is not too much talent dropoff from Jadaveon Clowney and we can still get a great pass rusher if he falls to #39. So how can I assume the talent drop is larger for pass rushers than quarterbacks?
Folks aren't against picking a QB.
Some folks like myself are against picking one at #3 because they don't think any QB in the draft is worth picking that high.
Not everyone agrees. Simple as that.
Quote:I think it is more above value and the thought process that the top 3 QBs are not much better then 4-8
I assume you meant about value.
A quarterback whose value fits the Browns or Raiders obviously also fits the Jaguars, so it makes no difference. Now if you are talking about the Vikings, I can understand it a a little bit.
Quote:Folks aren't against picking a QB.
Some folks like myself are against picking one at #3 because they don't think any QB in the draft is worth picking that high.
Not everyone agrees. Simple as that.
What I don't understand is why are people against picking a quarterback at #3 knowing if we trade down, the Browns or Raiders can pick our guy. I strongly believe since they need quarterbacks too, it is better to reach a little bit than trade down.
Quote:I think it is more above value and the thought process that the top 3 QBs are not much better then 4-8
This is how I feel. Although I readily admit that I have to trust the GM in this situation because they have studied it a lot more then I have. Its not that I am against taking a QB, I just wouldn't be surprised if the Jags go another direction.
I think we all want the rebuild to happen as quickly as possible, and the right QB is the fastest route to getting there. that being said, I don't know the big plan that Caldwell has and therefore can't rule out that he is looking at another draft as part of creating the foundation to build from.
Quote:This is how I feel. Although I readily admit that I have to trust the GM in this situation because they have studied it a lot more then I have. Its not that I am against taking a QB, I just wouldn't be surprised if the Jags go another direction.
I think we all want the rebuild to happen as quickly as possible, and the right QB is the fastest route to getting there. that being said, I don't know the big plan that Caldwell has and therefore can't rule out that he is looking at another draft as part of creating the foundation to build from.
I would completely agree with your statement if James Harris and Gene Smith did not suck at evaluating talent.
Quote:What I don't understand is why are people against picking a quarterback at #3 knowing if we trade down, the Browns or Raiders can pick our guy. I strongly believe since they need quarterbacks too, it is better to reach a little bit than trade down.
Because those of us who feel that way, feel that no matter when we select a QB (even at #3) those QBs carry far too much risk for the value and taking them in the first round isn't going to guarantee their chances of success are any better.
I expect us to have to draft another QB in hopes of finding a franchise QB in the next couple years anyway. I just don't expect one from this crop to "make it" by then.
I see it alot like the Leftwich draft. If we take one, we can't shy away from taking another next year if we have a Roethlisberger fall in our laps. That QB could end up being the solution, and not the one we take now.
I'd be all for drafting one of these QBs if we were able to trade back and acquire more picks.
Its a scary thought that the next 3 years our organization could be relying on Bridgewater, a guy built like a wispy thin WR masquerading as a QB, Bortles, a guy who throws only 1 out of 30 passes with any sort of velocity, or Manziel, the midget sprite that doesnt run any semblance of an organized offense.
Its a defeating feeling knowing we had to settle for one of these guys. And use the 3rd overall pick no less. Two years ago we coulda landed Luck or RG3 if we were this bad. However for two consecutive years we are terrible and the best we got is Geno or these 3? Makes you feel cursed.
Quote:I'd be all for drafting one of these QBs if we were able to trade back and acquire more picks.
Its a scary thought that the next 3 years our organization could be relying on Bridgewater, a guy built like a wispy thin WR masquerading as a QB, Bortles, a guy who throws only 1 out of 30 passes with any sort of velocity, or Manziel, the midget sprite that doesnt run any semblance of an organized offense.
Its a defeating feeling knowing we had to settle for one of these guys. And use the 3rd overall pick no less. Two years ago we coulda landed Luck or RG3 if we were this bad. However for two consecutive years we are terrible and the best we got is Geno or these 3? Makes you feel cursed.
If we avoid the minefield at the top and get a value pick like Glennon from last year, it will buy us time until we bring in a franchise guy. The key is not stop looking, even after you take one.
Quote:The Dee Ford thread makes me think there is not too much talent dropoff from Jadaveon Clowney and we can still get a great pass rusher if he falls to #39. So how can I assume the talent drop is larger for pass rushers than quarterbacks?
I'm only commenting on the opinions espoused commonly here on the board.
A look at the history of 1st round pass rushers and 2nd round pass rushers does show a much greater success rate by the first rounders, however.
Then again - New Orleans had an UDFA with 12 sacks this year (Galette) ....so there are always exceptions.
Quote:I'd be all for drafting one of these QBs if we were able to trade back and acquire more picks.
But that is the problem: If we trade down, the Browns will take one and the Raiders will take another. If the Texans also go quarterback, all three guys will be gone by the time we pick. Why trade down, knowing about that risk, just because the so-called value is not there? It is all about your guy being on the board when you pick.
Quote:Can the moderator please edit my title of quarterback on my topic headline because I made a mistake base on the fact I was typing to fast.
NEVAH!
Quote:NEVAH!
You were the one who fixed another subject title because someone "can't spell official."
Quote:You were the one who fixed another subject title because someone "can't spell official."
Yeah, but they didn't ask to be corrected.