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Mehllet.

Quote:I will be more than happy to have this debate with you.

 

While I agree with your stance with Mallett being a huge upgrade for the Texans, I strongly believe that it is not the end of the world at all for the jaguars.

 

I am a person that beleives that Andrew Luck is a very good QB, he is not a Peyton Manning or John Elway 2.0. Having thrown 8 picks in only 3 playoff games is very scary if you are a colt fan.  T,Y. Hilton is a star, and I think the Trent Ricahrdson trade might have been a huge mistake.

 

With O'Brian & Mallett, I think it is a match made in heaven. However, I do not think there are enough tools for him to succeed at a level that you feel he will be.....yet. Andre is starting to ware and tare at a level where his statistics will significantly drop, and while Hopkins * Martin do show flashes, I think they will not be at the same level as Andre was. O'Brian has magic with TE's though. However, with an Owen Daniels that cannot stay healthy, and Graham has potential to be something, the Texans should  have a fall back year. again. I know it is too early for predictions, but if someone forced me to pick a record, I would say 7-9, 8-8.

 

As for the prestige with Mallett, a tall kid who "gunned" the ball against the SEC, which is known for the best talent of offenses and defenses. I agree, However if you want stats TMD, I will give you stats.

 

Here are Ryan Mallet's stats:

 

Season Team GP GS ATT COMP COMP% YDS YDS/COMP TD INT AVG/G LONG EFFIC

2007 Michigan 11 3 141 61 43.3 892 14.6 7 5 81.1 97 105.7

2008 Arkansas Ineligible due to NCAA transfer rule

2009 Arkansas 13 13 403 225 55.8 3,624 16.3 30 7 278.8 83 152.5

2010 Arkansas 13 13 411 266 64.7 3,869 14.5 32 12 297.6 89 163.6

Career 3 seasons 37 29 955 552 57.8 8,385 15.1 69 24 226.6 97 150.4

 

And now, here are the stats for the person I hope the jaguars will draft in the 3rd round: Aaron Murray:

 

YEAR CMP ATT CMP% YDS TD INT RAT ATT YDS AVG TD

2009 Redshirt

2010 209 342 61.1 3,049 24 8 154.5 87 167 1.9 4

2011 238 403 59.1 3,149 35 14 146.4 87 111 1.3 2

2012 249 386 64.5 3,893 36 10 174.8 59 −68 −1.2 3

2013 225 347 64.8 3,075 26 9 158.8 58 186 3.5 7

Totals 921 1,478 61.5 13,166 121 41 158.5 291 396 0.9 16

 

*Statistics are from Wikipedia*

 

Now at a glance, one might think AJ Green was because of his stats, when in reality both AJ Green and Knoshon Moreno declared in 2011. So from 2011 to this past year, was based upon Aaron. He has a better completion percentage, and better ratings as a QB than Mallett.

 

As for the Brady factor, yes it could be an infleunce, but the system in New England could be completely different to Houston, even though O'Brian was in NE. It is a "Wildcard" as an infleunce and should not be considered as a main factor of Why Ryan Mallet could be succesful in Houston.

 

*Cheers*

I looked at Arron Murray and thought he would be alright last year as well. The Yards/A are crazy good for Mallet and Murray. I never realized they were both that high, they are both right near 9 YPA.  I like Murray as a 3rd round pick. It is crazy that he will go that low, when he was projected as a 2nd  I believe last year if he had came out.

Quote:I looked at Arron Murray and thought he would be alright last year as well. The Yards/A are crazy good for Mallet and Murray. I never realized they were both that high, they are both right near 9 YPA.  I like Murray as a 3rd round pick. It is crazy that he will go that low, when he was projected as a 2nd  I believe last year if he had came out.

 

Why the YPA for Mallett and Murray is impressive is because of how it was attained. Both of those QB sling the rock down field and complete a lot of them. This isn't the case of attaining a high YPA phony-like by throwing a top of screen and swing passes that the receiver gets a lot of YAC yards with.

Quote:I looked at Arron Murray and thought he would be alright last year as well. The Yards/A are crazy good for Mallet and Murray. I never realized they were both that high, they are both right near 9 YPA.  I like Murray as a 3rd round pick. It is crazy that he will go that low, when he was projected as a 2nd  I believe last year if he had came out.

Murray is my first choice, out of 5 choices for this whole draft choices. Love Johnny, but I think he will be gone at 3. Due to Houston if they do not do this Mallett situation, or what whatever the Rams will do.

 

So besides Murray, I have Boyd, Mccarron, Mettenberger, and either Carr or Fales. Boyd has "pooped" the bed in the Senior Bowl, so that might drive his stock down in the jaguars eyes. The only way they will take him is if he "Barkeleyed" his way into the 5th round. McCarron & Mettenberger will both be great IMO, but based upon the system. If Mettenberger is taken by the Jags, the fans will not be happy now, but later. Same with McCarron, I think AJ's  best fit is in Dallas, and Mett's would be in Pitt (A bunch of berger's).

 

The Jaguars IMO this off-season, will not be patient and will not be more assertive, and will not be looking for patience for their QB situation. They have "small" faith in Henne, and need a prayer for Gabbert. Neither will last, but the Henne situation is less messy. He is the jaguars future backup.

 

Fales will get some love, because he would be an automatic fit, just like Johnny. However, he is underestimated due to not being a Senior, no sense of running, and lack of talen within the WAC conference.

 

Carr is the true wildcard for the Jaguars. At the Senior Bowl, and doin' work. I think in a strange reason that the jaguars are looking for a Senior because of Gabbert, the one year extra does make a difference. So besides at the Senior Bowl, being a Senior, having a high completion pct and a great TD/INT ratio is huge for the scouts at JAX. The only reason why his stocked plummeted was because of the conference he plays (Mountain West), and pooping the bed against USC. But he has a chance, not as much as Aaron or Johnny, but a chance. Here are Derek's stats:

 

Year Team             G W L Comp Att Pct Yds Td Int Pass Effic.

2009 Fresno State 5 4 0 10 14 71.4 112 0 0 138.6

2010 Fresno State -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --

2011 Fresno State 13 4 9 279 446 62.6 3,544 26 9 144.5

2012 Fresno State 13 9 4 344 511 67.3 4,104 37 7 155.9

2013 Fresno State 13 11 2 454 659 68.9 5,083 50 8 156.3

All     Fresno State 43 15 28 1,087 1,630 66.7 12,843 113 24 152.9

 

*Statistics are from Wikipedia*

 

That is pretty much all I have for the QB draft class, and my 2 cents for the Mallett proposal. *Cheers*

Oh, nevermind.

If Mullet was so good, why wouldn't the Patsies be trying to hold onto him. Brady isn't exactly a spring chicken.

 

If he were close to being a good QB, he would be the heir apparent to Brady.

My draft prediction is as follows:

 

1)We will draft either Bridgewater, Bortles or Maziel...If we trade back, it will only be as far as we can ensure we get one of those 3 QB's.

 

Ex..say Houston goes Clowney, St. Louis takes Watkins...We are sitting at #3, with all 3 QB's...We either take our pick of the 3 QB's (if we really feel strongly about one of them) or we trade back with either the Raiders (who need a QB) at #5 or say Atlanta at #6(say they are targeting Mathews)...

 

I'm saying there is no way we leave the 1st round without a QB.  The draft is too deep so there is no way we trade UP in the 1st 3 rounds and give up picks.  My gut tells me they aren't going to cross their fingers that "their guy" at QB is still there in the 2nd round...even then, what's left will be a development guy, not a starter who will be ready half way through the season at the earliest.

 

Lets face it, this is our best chance at getting an elite level guy...You say, there is no sure fire QB like Luck...Guess what...another slam dunk like Luck may not come around for another 10-15 years.  We will be sitting around a long time waiting for another QB like Luck, and even if there is, there will be no guarantee we will be in position to get him.

 

Book it...Bortles, Bridgewater or Manziel in the 1st...(Manziel scares me, but I'd still take him if Bortles/Bridgewater are gone...still leaning Bortles at this time though.

Quote:My draft prediction is as follows:

 

1)We will draft either Bridgewater, Bortles or Maziel...If we trade back, it will only be as far as we can ensure we get one of those 3 QB's.

 

Ex..say Houston goes Clowney, St. Louis takes Watkins...We are sitting at #3, with all 3 QB's...We either take our pick of the 3 QB's (if we really feel strongly about one of them) or we trade back with either the Raiders (who need a QB) at #5 or say Atlanta at #6(say they are targeting Mathews)...

 

I'm saying there is no way we leave the 1st round without a QB.  The draft is too deep so there is no way we trade UP in the 1st 3 rounds and give up picks.  My gut tells me they aren't going to cross their fingers that "their guy" at QB is still there in the 2nd round...even then, what's left will be a development guy, not a starter who will be ready half way through the season at the earliest.

 

Lets face it, this is our best chance at getting an elite level guy...You say, there is no sure fire QB like Luck...Guess what...another slam dunk like Luck may not come around for another 10-15 years.  We will be sitting around a long time waiting for another QB like Luck, and even if there is, there will be no guarantee we will be in position to get him.

 

Book it...Bortles, Bridgewater or Manziel in the 1st...(Manziel scares me, but I'd still take him if Bortles/Bridgewater are gone...still leaning Bortles at this time though.

Proved my point. Do not be upset, if you have none of those 3 (Except Manziel) in a jaguars uniform. I can bet money, that if we draft Bridgewater or Bortles, this forum will be exactly like in 2013 in a couple of years.

 

Bortles has Gabbert written all over him and Teddy will not last. I know that sounds like a contradiction with Manziel, but for some reason I think he would last with his style, or at least adapt because he has some of the best QB instincts I have seen in years. Almost Payton-like.

 

Murray is my best option, because he has a "gun", very good QB instincts, and will come cheaper earlier than those 3. My dream scenario would be:

 

FA - draft young and developing players that have a high ceiling, along with focusing on O-line (Minus Mack)

 

Draft (If No Johnny)

Rd 1 Clowney or Barr or Mack

Rd 2 Dre Mason or Seastrunk

Rd 3 Murray

Post Rd's - Get Storm Johnson

I'm not fond of either. As a Jags fan, I'd be pleased if the Texans took either one, I'd consider it a homerun for us if they got both.

Quote:Proved my point. Do not be upset, if you have none of those 3 (Except Manziel) in a jaguars uniform. I can bet money, that if we draft Bridgewater or Bortles, this forum will be exactly like in 2013 in a couple of years.

 

Bortles has Gabbert written all over him and Teddy will not last. I know that sounds like a contradiction with Manziel, but for some reason I think he would last with his style, or at least adapt because he has some of the best QB instincts I have seen in years. Almost Payton-like.

 

Murray is my best option, because he has a "gun", very good QB instincts, and will come cheaper earlier than those 3. My dream scenario would be:

 

FA - draft young and developing players that have a high ceiling, along with focusing on O-line (Minus Mack)

 

Draft (If No Johnny)

Rd 1 Clowney or Barr or Mack

Rd 2 Dre Mason or Seastrunk

Rd 3 Murray

Post Rd's - Get Storm Johnson

 

Not mad, we all have different opinions. Personally, I think Bortles is the exact opposite of Gabbert.  Bortles actually slides in the pocket and always has his head and eyes up and downfield.  He is much better when the pocket breaks down.  Gabbert tucks the ball, head goes down and runs for his life when the pressure comes.

 

Is the consensus that Murray has a "gun"?  Just asking.  I thought he was thought to have a average/below average "NFL" arm?

Quote:Not mad, we all have different opinions. Personally, I think Bortles is the exact opposite of Gabbert.  Bortles actually slides in the pocket and always has his head and eyes up and downfield.  He is much better when the pocket breaks down.  Gabbert tucks the ball, head goes down and runs for his life when the pressure comes.

 

Is the consensus that Murray has a "gun"?  Just asking.  I thought he was thought to have a average/below average "NFL" arm?

 

Also worth mentioning that Bortles has actually had an impressive college career.  Several clutch wins and a very nice TD/Int ratio.  

 

Gabbert was a workout warrior.

Quote:Not mad, we all have different opinions. Personally, I think Bortles is the exact opposite of Gabbert.  Bortles actually slides in the pocket and always has his head and eyes up and downfield.  He is much better when the pocket breaks down.  Gabbert tucks the ball, head goes down and runs for his life when the pressure comes.

 

Is the consensus that Murray has a "gun"?  Just asking.  I thought he was thought to have a average/below average "NFL" arm?

Like you said different opinions. As for Murray, he has an above average arm, but what makes it a "gun" is the out of pocket arm strength. IMO what makes a "gun" is what your throws can be like like when you are not set in the pocket. For Example:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fzKqmeUtZo

 

As for Bortles, here is what we have:

 

 

Season Team GP Rating Att Comp Pct Yds TD INT Att Yds TD

2011       UCF 9 153.9 110 75 67.8 958 6 3 21 4 1

2012       UCF 14 144.5 399 251 62.9 3,059 25 7 87 285 8

2013       UCF 13 163.4 382 259 67.8 3,581 25 9 87 272 6  

<b>Totals</b>             36 153.9 891 585 66.2 7,598 56 19 195 561 15

 

 

Impressive...but, what scares me is the similarity of somone else:

 

Year School Conf Class [BLEEP] G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate

*2008 Missouri Big 12   QB 5 5 13 38.5 43 3.3 3.3 0 0 66.2

*2009 Missouri Big 12   QB 13 262 445 58.9 3593 8.1 8.2 24 9 140.5

*2010 Missouri Big 12   QB 13 301 475 63.4 3186 6.7 6.5 16 9 127.0

Career Missouri                       568 933 60.9 6822 7.3 7.3 40 18 132.6

 

Those are Blaine Gabbert's college stats. His sophmore year is almost identitical to Bortles' Sophmore and Junior seasons. I do not trust QB's that do not throw 30 TD's, It has an effect on the next level. True, I also volley for McCarron, but I think that is based more upon the system that was implemented, not the player. Just a really bad feeling with Bortles. *Cheers*

Quote:Like you said different opinions. As for Murray, he has an above average arm, but what makes it a "gun" is the out of pocket arm strength. IMO what makes a "gun" is what your throws can be like like when you are not set in the pocket. For Example:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fzKqmeUtZo

 

As for Bortles, here is what we have:

 

 

Season Team GP Rating Att Comp Pct Yds TD INT Att Yds TD

2011       UCF 9 153.9 110 75 67.8 958 6 3 21 4 1

2012       UCF 14 144.5 399 251 62.9 3,059 25 7 87 285 8

2013       UCF 13 163.4 382 259 67.8 3,581 25 9 87 272 6  

<b>Totals</b>             36 153.9 891 585 66.2 7,598 56 19 195 561 15

 

 

Impressive...but, what scares me is the similarity of somone else:

 

Year School Conf Class [BLEEP] G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate

*2008 Missouri Big 12   QB 5 5 13 38.5 43 3.3 3.3 0 0 66.2

*2009 Missouri Big 12   QB 13 262 445 58.9 3593 8.1 8.2 24 9 140.5

*2010 Missouri Big 12   QB 13 301 475 63.4 3186 6.7 6.5 16 9 127.0

Career Missouri                       568 933 60.9 6822 7.3 7.3 40 18 132.6

 

Those are Blaine Gabbert's college stats. His sophmore year is almost identitical to Bortles' Sophmore and Junior seasons. I do not trust QB's that do not throw 30 TD's, It has an effect on the next level. True, I also volley for McCarron, but I think that is based more upon the system that was implemented, not the player. Just a really bad feeling with Bortles. *Cheers*

 

Me too. Bortles does seem to have that Gabbert feel to him. I agree with the 30 TD thing especially if we are talking an offense that is designed to put up numbers and the QB doesn't. That was the case with Gabbert as Chase friggin Daniel put up monster numbers in the same offense that Gabbert put up only pedestrian numbers. In the case of Teddy, his numbers aren't great either, but he doesn't play in an offense that is prone to do so. Not sure about Bortles' offense. 

I can't wait for the day Mallet gets a start and crashes and burns.  Then we won't have to see this nonsense anymore.

Quote:I can't wait for the day Mallet gets a start and crashes and burns.  Then we won't have to see this nonsense anymore.

 

Oh, so if Mallett has one bad start, and 12 good ones then he bad?

 

Am I doing this right? :ermm: 

Someone's done flipping burgers for the day. 

Quote:Someone's done flipping burgers for the day. 

 

Make an original comment for once. 

This is so exciting. I thought football season ends next week, but it turns out there is an offseason season, with division winners and everything.

 

Are the offseason playoffs going to be before or after the draft?

Quote:I can't wait for the day Mallet gets a start and crashes and burns.  Then we won't have to see this nonsense anymore.

 

You and I both know that it'll be something along the lines of, "Belichick waited too long. He didn't give him the opportunity to develop in-game experience." 

 

Quote:Oh, so if Mallett has one bad start, and 12 good ones then he bad?

 

Am I doing this right? :ermm:

 

I will personally start a thread apologizing to you if that ever happens. For the record, what would be a "good" game? I'm interest in knowing now so that you can't change it later.

Mallet used to pout and quit when games got too tough and he did that in some big games. That's why his draft stock fell. No team in their right mind would give anything for him. He is Jeff George 2.0.

 

The trade rumors are probably being generated by the pats in hopes of artificially creating some trade value for him in the final year of his contract.

 

You can't blame them. The pats have been good at finding suckers.