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Quote:How are they interfering and how does that make Trump a worse candidate than Hillary?
Why are you stuck on Hillary? Is it ok with you if the reports are true, and the Russians are hacking email servers in our country, regardless of motive?
Quote:Why are you stuck on Hillary? Is it ok with you if the reports are true, and the Russians are hacking email servers in our country, regardless of motive?
I'm not stuck on Hillary. This is all an attempt to demonize Trump. My point is that, despite all that, he still likely the better candidate.
Did the Russians hack into our systems or from an off-site server? Show me proof before I jump to conclusions. They already tried blaming Russians for other things that they didn't do.
Putin tried to influence the US Presidential election to get revenge against Clinton for trying to influence the Russian election, according to a former US ambassador to Russia. Also, Putin and Trump share a lot of the same policies, so he'd rather Trump be President than Clinton.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/f...li=BBnb7Kz
The knee jerk denial from Trump supporters is just incredible.
So now we can add "I don't believe the intelligence community" to "I don't believe the scientific community" and "I don't believe the media."
Why don't you guys just say, "I only believe people who tell me what I want to hear. And if they tell me what I want to hear, I don't even question it."
Then there's "I don't care what the Russians did because Trump is still better than Clinton." So it's okay for a foreign government to influence a US election, as long as it's in favor of your candidate?
Quote:Putin tried to influence the US Presidential election to get revenge against Clinton for trying to influence the Russian election, according to a former US ambassador to Russia. Also, Putin and Trump share a lot of the same policies, so he'd rather Trump be President than Clinton.
<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/former-ambassador-to-russia-putin-wanted-revenge-against-clinton/ar-AAlqzaw?li=BBnb7Kz'>http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/former-ambassador-to-russia-putin-wanted-revenge-against-clinton/ar-AAlqzaw?li=BBnb7Kz</a>
Speculation.
Quote:The knee jerk denial from Trump supporters is just incredible.
So now we can add "I don't believe the intelligence community" to "I don't believe the scientific community" and "I don't believe the media."
Why don't you guys just say, "I only believe people who tell me what I want to hear. And if they tell me what I want to hear, I don't even question it."
Then there's "I don't care what the Russians did because Trump is still better than Clinton." So it's okay for a foreign government to influence a US election, as long as it's in favor of your candidate?
Yeah, how dare we ask for actual evidence to these "objective" claims. Why can't we just accept what the media and Obama tell us without question?
You are a sheep, bro.
If you want us to believe the Russians had a hand in the DNC hacking, give us proof, not innuendo.
FYI, a script kiddie could have gotten into Podesta's email. He fell for a phishing attempt. His password was literally "password". You don't need to be a "elite Russian hacker" to phish an idiot like Podesta.
Quote:Nowhere does it say Reid is demanding a new vote.
Fail.
If he says Trump lost the election, then what else could he be implying? If this is 1000x worse than 2000 Florida, the only solution is a new vote from his point of view.
Anyone find it ironic that the left found it absolutely acceptable for Obama to go to the UK and THREATEN the British people to vote Remain? Yet it is unacceptable for Russia to have favored one side over the other in our election?
Really makes you think....
Quote:So it's okay for a foreign government to influence a US election, as long as it's in favor of your candidate?
we sure have a hand in influencing other countries elections, in the end its on the citizens to choose. This country overwhelming elected Trump. Other than the giant liberal population station known as California.
Quote:Anyone find it ironic that the left found it absolutely acceptable for Obama to go to the UK and THREATEN the British people to vote Remain? Yet it is unacceptable for Russia to have favored one side over the other in our election?
Really makes you think....
If the shoe was on the other foot,
You should do unto others as you would have them do to you
Quote:If he says Trump lost the election, then what else could he be implying? If this is 1000x worse than 2000 Florida, the only solution is a new vote from his point of view.
He never said it, and there is no effort afoot to make it happen.
Quote:I'm not stuck on Hillary. This is all an attempt to demonize Trump. My point is that, despite all that, he still likely the better candidate.
Did the Russians hack into our systems or from an off-site server? Show me proof before I jump to conclusions. They already tried blaming Russians for other things that they didn't do.
No, it's not, that's just a (quite ironic) deflection from attention to the real possibility the Russians hacked into email servers.
Quote:The CIA says the Russians tried to meddle in our election. They say Russia tried to influence things in Trump's favor. They say they have loads of evidence. Trump says he doesn't believe it. I don't need to post links to all this, it's all over the news, you will have already seen it if you are keeping up with things.
This is wrong. The CIA didn't say anything.
A reporter from The Washington Post, a partisan Democrat publication, said that an ANONYMOUS SOURCE claimed that the CIA had evidence that a Russian or Russians hacked the US election. No federal official has come forth with the evidence.
This is right now in the realm of a bigfoot sighting.
Funny it's always Russia. I would have guessed that China, with lots of tech savvy citizens, would be the most likely country to hack into US politics. But Putin makes a much better boogeyman.
Quote:Yeah, how dare we ask for actual evidence to these "objective" claims. Why can't we just accept what the media and Obama tell us without question?
If this is your answer, essentially, "I'd like some more evidence", then that's fine. But that's neither Donald's, nor your, first reaction.
Donald's was "Incompetent CIA! My win is historic and legitimate!" Yours was "Hypocrite Dems trying to steal election!"
Donald decrying the CIA is not quite as disturbing as the idea that the Russians influence the US election process. Not quite.
I prefer the reactions of Senators Burr, McCain, Schumer, and McConnell.
Quote:No, it's not, that's just a (quite ironic) deflection from attention to the real possibility the Russians hacked into email servers.
The likelihood the Russians hacked into email servers is the same likelihood that we, the Chinese, the UK, or a random 400lb hacker hacked into it as well. Want to know the cure to preventing leaks and hacked servers? Stronger security measures and training. The DNC was hacked because they didn't adhere to (or even have any) security policies. Meanwhile, the Republicans apparently did.
If Russia ACTUALLY did hack into the email servers, they would already have the evidence because it doesn't take half a year to do a forensic analysis. The fact NOBODY from any alphabet agency has come forward is proof enough that they DON'T have any evidence. Only innuendo.
The battle is between old guard intel services and new guard intel services. CIA versus NSA, if you will. NSA is likely the one giving stuff to WikiLeaks. In fact, WikiLeaks may be an NSA project.
The old guard seem to be losing badly. Violent change is coming.
Quote:The battle is between old guard intel services and new guard intel services. CIA versus NSA, if you will. NSA is likely the one giving stuff to WikiLeaks. In fact, WikiLeaks may be an NSA project.
The old guard seem to be losing badly. Violent change is coming.
Whose side will you be on?
This just gets better and better. The Trumpettes doing back-flips and excuses, excuses, excuses. LOL
People who backed the Birther Movement now want Proof! Mere speculation! What about Hillary! It's the media!
Four years of watching people like jj, who wants people to think he's some kind of "real" conservative, with principles even!, try and deflect every pro-Russian, pro-yahoo move that Trump makes. These defenders of the "little guy, working class heroes" and going to justifying every billionaire and general put before them.
The sell-out continues! And they've done it before he's even sworn in.
Quote:The knee jerk denial from Trump supporters is just incredible.
So now we can add "I don't believe the intelligence community" to "I don't believe the scientific community" and "I don't believe the media."
Why don't you guys just say, "I only believe people who tell me what I want to hear. And if they tell me what I want to hear, I don't even question it."
Then there's "I don't care what the Russians did because Trump is still better than Clinton." So it's okay for a foreign government to influence a US election, as long as it's in favor of your candidate?
What's incredible is that you pretend that criticism against people who agree with you somehow makes us crazy. Not only is that a weak tactic used to invalidate the opposing opinion, the examples you gave aren't even true.
Well, maybe the media one, but I'm not even sure how / why you'd even try to defend them. But I think we both know that if you simply distort the actual opinion and make it seem more radical, it'll keep you from actually addressing the specific issue.
Quote:No, it's not, that's just a (quite ironic) deflection from attention to the real possibility the Russians hacked into email servers.
Real possibility? The same possibility that eliminated Russian involvement (by the FBI) after Hillary's server scandal?
Excuse me if I'd prefer to wait to hear the details about Russian involvement before jumping to conclusions.
Quote:This just gets better and better. The Trumpettes doing back-flips and excuses, excuses, excuses. LOL
People who backed the Birther Movement now want Proof! Mere speculation! What about Hillary! It's the media!
Four years of watching people like jj, who wants people to think he's some kind of "real" conservative, with principles even!, try and deflect every pro-Russian, pro-yahoo move that Trump makes. These defenders of the "little guy, working class heroes" and going to justifying every billionaire and general put before them.
The sell-out continues! And they've done it before he's even sworn in.
Looks like you took RealMarty's style of argument.
Ad hominems every where.
Are you going to address the lack of evidence as the reason people are weary to accept statements from a group (Democrats) who already tried this method before (Russian involvement with the serves)?
Quote:This is wrong. The CIA didn't say anything.
A reporter from The Washington Post, a partisan Democrat publication, said that an ANONYMOUS SOURCE claimed that the CIA had evidence that a Russian or Russians hacked the US election. No federal official has come forth with the evidence.
This is right now in the realm of a bigfoot sighting.
Funny it's always Russia. I would have guessed that China, with lots of tech savvy citizens, would be the most likely country to hack into US politics. But Putin makes a much better boogeyman.
Looks like we will get Congressional hearings on the matter, so we will know more then.
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