Aye Yai Yai. What is it with people wanting to take Jimmy Garapollo? People will trade away anything if they think they can get a QB who has looked good, but hasn't had long-term success.
Honestly, not sure I'd spend a 1st rounder on a QB this year. Find one in the 2nd or 3rd? Absolutely! But not in the 1st. Not this year.
There is no cant miss QB in this draft, it would be better to take a guy in the 3rd round, let him compete, you may hit on a Dak type player
Bortles has the talent see if the new coaching staff can get these young guys going
Quote:Give Bortles another year. 2018 should be a good QB class.
Giving Bortles another year really would mean giving him two years because he is a first round pick.
Quote:Lol at the Jimmy talk. NE isn't letting him go
even then he might be a product of Bill bellecheck system
Quote:There is no cant miss QB in this draft, it would be better to take a guy in the 3rd round, let him compete, you may hit on a Dak type player
Bortles has the talent see if the new coaching staff can get these young guys going
There is no can't miss QB for us because we don't need to draft one. For other teams that are still looking for someone to call a "franchise QB" (Texans) or are at a veteran crossroads (Bears), there certainly are a couple can't-miss guys.
I'm not too keen on the Watson, Kizer, and Trubisky's of this class.
Now... should we invest a mid round pick in a guy? Sure... if Allen was a 6th round selection for nothing.
Every couple days this topic comes up and I don't see why.
Bortles will be playing in the final year basically in a prove it or lose it year. A veteran will likely be brought in, and hopefully it isn't Henne.
Along with Brandon Allen, I don't see the QB room being much different.
Now... if Caldwell is fired, all bets are off. A new GM/HC combo may blow the whole thing up on offense.
I am still on the take Mahomes day 2 as the top developmental QB train, but if Garrett and Allen go 1-2 taking Trubisky wouldn't be the worst idea. He has real promise.
It really stinks that every year for the last decade, we all start talking draft picks in late Nov/early Dec....... So sad....... lol
Quote:even then he might be a product of Bill bellecheck system
Yeah... very knee jerk with Jimmy G's sample size to crown him anything.
Someone in Houston thought they saw enough of Brock Osweiler too.
-shrug-
I'd much rather draft a develop a QB. As opposed to hoping someone else did the job for us and we overpay for someone.
And then half the time you get hosed.
Cassel looked pretty darn good leading the Pats to a 10 or 11 win season. Went to the Chiefs and never panned out.
Did anybody ever think about the fact that we just drafted a QB this year to be #3 on the roster? Any QB we draft next year would replace Chad Henne while Blake Bortles stays locked in as the starter. Dave Caldwell is not straying from Blake anytime soon.
Quote:Yeah... very knee jerk with Jimmy G's sample size to crown him anything.
Someone in Houston thought they saw enough of Brock Osweiler too.
-shrug-
I'd much rather draft a develop a QB. As opposed to hoping someone else did the job for us and we overpay for someone.
And then half the time you get hosed.
Cassel looked pretty darn good leading the Pats to a 10 or 11 win season. Went to the Chiefs and never panned out.
Even with 11 wins, Matt Cassel missed the playoffs.
Quote:Giving Bortles another year really would mean giving him two years because he is a first round pick.
How so? This off-season we can opt to not pick up Bortles' fifth year option telling Bortles to "show me", which would, in fact be giving Bortles "another year" not "two" years.
Quote:Nah, there's no real QB worth that high a pick I don't think. It's either RB or OL. I'm leaning toward RB.
Agreed.
Obviously, whoever decided on Bortles, with that early pick, missed some important deal-killing flaws. Now, in retrospect, those flaws are killing us. They're easy to see now, aren't they? Why weren't they discovered before we picked him? I bet that other teams noticed them.
Do we want that same talent evaluator to make another QB pick? I don't think so.
The younger Khan apparently has created statistical models to evaluate thousands of variables that influence the outcome of football games. Analyzing QB's, those who have been successful as well as those who have failed, could uncover the key elements that predict, with a high level of probability, the success or failure of a prospect.
In my earlier career I was heavily involved in creating credit scoring models which accurately predicted the likelihood that a borrower will pay back a loan. The process is identical for predicting success or failure at the QB position.
Quote:Tom is going to be 40 soon he doesnt have 5 years left lol
Brady seems to think so and his play certainly hasn't fallen off, so what makes you think it won't happen?
Quote:How so? This off-season we can opt to not pick up Bortles' fifth year option telling Bortles to "show me", which would, in fact be giving Bortles "another year" not "two" years.
I would be shocked if the team even thinks about not picking up the fifth year option for Bortles.
Quote:I am still on the take Mahomes day 2 as the top developmental QB train, but if Garrett and Allen go 1-2 taking Trubisky wouldn't be the worst idea. He has real promise.
I think Mahomes is a product of the system he plays in, but I agree about Trubisky. He is far from a finished product though. The guy isn't close to starting in the NFL at this point. I think he's about 2-3 years away. Can we afford to spend such a high pick on a guy we might have to wait that long on?
Rather take a mid round prospect like Mason Rudolph or Cooper Rush.
Quote:I agree about Trubisky, but he is far from a finished product. The guy isn't close to starting in the NFL at this point. I think he's about 2-3 years away. Can we afford to spend such a high pick on a guy we might have to wait that long on?
I am 100% against drafting a developmental pick in the first round at this point. That is for teams who have been winning and don't have immediate needs at other positions.
Quote:I would be shocked if the team even thinks about not picking up the fifth year option for Bortles.
I wouldn't. They need to find a way to motivate Bortles to improve his mechanics. Money is often the biggest motivation. Per the CBA, they can't "force" him to work on his mechanics in the offseason. They can, however, tell him he should work on his mechancies and then imply they are very unsatisfied with his performance. Examples of implying dissatisfaction:
- This offseason is the first season players drafted in the 2014 draft can negotiate a contract. We could choose to not sign an extension for him until after this season.
- Opt to not pick up the fifth year option on Bortles
- Bring in legitimate competition for the starting role. This could be either through free agency or the draft.