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I would. We have so many other needs that I'd rather resign him than draft or sign another RB, even if he his over the hill a little bit.

Quote:I would. We have so many other needs that I'd rather resign him than draft or sign another RB, even if he his over the hill a little bit.

 

I agree as long as his contract demands are sensible, because at 28 he can still be a productive back for the next few seasons. I think in hindsight the Dolphins will have wished they had re-signed Reggie Bush instead of going with the lacklustre set of backs they have now. By re-signing Bush they would have had a running game to compliment their passing game, and that would have eased the burden on Tannehill. With that in mind, if we keep MJD that would give us a solid running game to help ease the burden on this team's next quarterback. 

 

That being said the team could still find a gem of a back in the draft. In this year's draft the Bengals got Giovani Bernard, and the Packers got Eddie Lacy in the second round, and in the fifth the Rams got Zac Stacy. The previous year the Redskins picked up Alfred Morris in the sixth round. Granted a fair few other backs went before them that have not done anything of note, but if the team finds a guy they like and drafts him and all goes well, then the team could have a longer term solution in that position. But a rookie QB and rookie RB? I think I'd rather keep hold of MJD for at least a season and then move on at a future date when the next QB is blooded in.  

Quote:We aren't committed to the run and the stats show it. 

 

I'll present two most recent years. Then I'll select two previous years. You can knock yourself out trying to debunk it.

 

2013 (2-9 thru 11 games)

 

JAGUARS TOTAL OFFENSIVE PLAYS - 655

Pass 402 - 61%

Rush 253 - 39%

 

OPPONENT TOTAL OFFENSIVE PLAYS - 704

Pass  362 - 51%

Rush 342 - 49%

 

2012 (2-14 thru 16 games)

 

JAGUARS TOTAL OFFENSIVE PLAYS - 944

Pass 586 - 62%

Rush 358 - 38%

 

OPPONENT TOTAL OFFENSIVE PLAYS - 1080

Pass 535 - 49%

Rush 545 - 51%

 

1996 (9-6 thru 16 games)

 

JAGUARS TOTAL OFFENSIVE PLAYS - 905

Pass 495 - 55%

Rush 410 - 45%

 

OPPONENT TOTAL OFFENSIVE PLAYS - 1013

Pass 509 - 50%

Rush 504 - 50%

 

1999 (14-2 thru 16 games)

 

JAGUARS TOTAL OFFENSIVE PLAYS - 1049

Pass 535 - 51%

Rush 514 - 49%

 

OPPONENT TOTAL OFFENSIVE PLAYS - 894

Pass 521 - 58%

Rush 373 - 42%

 

This elementary NFL coaching matter. Your coaching staff should be well-educated enough to understand you must maintain the balance between rushing the football and passing the football.

 

Ok You picked last year, and MJD was hurt, and you picked this year where he was averaging less than 3 yards a carry.

Then you picked up again in 1996???

Kind of missed Drew's entire career didn't you?

Talk about picking and choosing stats, holy cow!

Not hard to debunk this when you didn't even give us the prime years Maurice played!

 

#1, I have no problem passing 60% of the time. That is still Committed to the run, but it is a passing league in case you didnt notice.

However, I do believe we have averaged more running during Drew's career than the NFL average or at least right at the average.

We certainly have not been an air it out team for the last 10 years, or did you miss the whole JDR 3 yards and a cloud of dust era?

Quote:We aren't committed to the run and the stats show it. 

 

I'll present two most recent years. Then I'll select two previous years. You can knock yourself out trying to debunk it.

 

2013 (2-9 thru 11 games)

 

JAGUARS TOTAL OFFENSIVE PLAYS - 655

Pass 402 - 61%

Rush 253 - 39%

 

OPPONENT TOTAL OFFENSIVE PLAYS - 704

Pass  362 - 51%

Rush 342 - 49%

 

2012 (2-14 thru 16 games)

 

JAGUARS TOTAL OFFENSIVE PLAYS - 944

Pass 586 - 62%

Rush 358 - 38%

 

OPPONENT TOTAL OFFENSIVE PLAYS - 1080

Pass 535 - 49%

Rush 545 - 51%

 

1996 (9-6 thru 16 games)

 

JAGUARS TOTAL OFFENSIVE PLAYS - 905

Pass 495 - 55%

Rush 410 - 45%

 

OPPONENT TOTAL OFFENSIVE PLAYS - 1013

Pass 509 - 50%

Rush 504 - 50%

 

1999 (14-2 thru 16 games)

 

JAGUARS TOTAL OFFENSIVE PLAYS - 1049

Pass 535 - 51%

Rush 514 - 49%

 

OPPONENT TOTAL OFFENSIVE PLAYS - 894

Pass 521 - 58%

Rush 373 - 42%

 

This elementary NFL coaching matter. Your coaching staff should be well-educated enough to understand you must maintain the balance between rushing the football and passing the football.

Teams pass more when they are not in the lead.

 

Teams pass even more when they are trailing by double digits.

 

So when you are down by 20 in the 3rd quarter you are going to have a balanced run/pass offense? Get real. We are forced to pass and abandon the run because the score always forces out of our game-plan. 

I'm not going to overpay for him, but if he wants to come back on my terms, I'd bring him back.

 

He's not entirely finished but he can no longer make the OLine look good at run blocking like he used to.

Hell to the no.

Quote:Teams pass more when they are not in the lead.

 

Teams pass even more when they are trailing by double digits.

 

So when you are down by 20 in the 3rd quarter you are going to have a balanced run/pass offense? Get real. We are forced to pass and abandon the run because the score always forces out of our game-plan. 

Normally I would agree with you but not Fisch.  He loves to run the ball deep in the 3rd quarter while the team is down by 20. 

Home Team Discount

 

If he hits the FA market some team may over pay him. 

I just want to know why everyone thinks he's washed up.

 

WHO exactly on this team is running better than he is? Bottom line is our run blocking is the worst in the league. There's absolutely nowhere to go. He still has his power. He lost his speed like 5 years ago. 

 

MJD this year is no different than the MJD of early last year where we was averaging 4.5+ ypc. The only difference is Meester is a year older (and he was terrible last year), and we now have two backup tackles to go with the scrub at LG. We also lost our All-Pro caliber fullback. 

 

That's not to say I want him back, because I don't. It's time to start fresh. But he's not washed up. 

Quote:Normally I would agree with you but not Fisch.  He loves to run the ball deep in the 3rd quarter while the team is down by 20. 

 

Not according to Jungle cat. He believes we were "air Del Rio" and "Jetstream Fisch".

He thinks we haven't given the ball enough to poor Maurice.

When actually the reverse is true, we ran him to death, he was our work horse.

Not sure what team Mr.Cat has been watching the last decade.

We ran MJD into the ground and now hes turned into Micheal turner.  It is what it is. Hes a RB. Go find a new one its not that hard.

I say no. And for many reasons. But I can boil them down into four.

 

1. He's getting old and has lost a step. You can make excuses all you want, but when he gets wiggle room and out into open space, you can just see it in his legs. It's not there anymore.

2. This roster is getting younger, and we need all the cap space we can get to re-sign said younger players on the roster that emerge as starters/playmakers.

3. He kind of dictates the overall playcalling and gameplan for us, and IMHO, needs to go simply because whoever ends up getting the QB job needs to be the man in charge and running the show.

4. He just needs to go. He gave us 1600 yards a few years ago, his best single season performance of his career, and it only netted us five victories. He deserves better than that. He should be on a better team.

Quote:I say no. And for many reasons. But I can boil them down into four.

 

1. He's getting old and has lost a step. You can make excuses all you want, but when he gets wiggle room and out into open space, you can just see it in his legs. It's not there anymore.

2. This roster is getting younger, and we need all the cap space we can get to re-sign said younger players on the roster that emerge as starters/playmakers.

3. He kind of dictates the overall playcalling and gameplan for us, and IMHO, needs to go simply because whoever ends up getting the QB job needs to be the man in charge and running the show.

4. He just needs to go. He gave us 1600 yards a few years ago, his best single season performance of his career, and it only netted us five victories. He deserves better than that. He should be on a better team.

 

1. I haven't seen anyone making excuses for him. It's pretty obvious to anyone with 2 eyes who has watched him throughout his NFL career that he's lost a step.  That doesn't mean he can't help this team.
   
2. This team has one of the healthiest cap situations in the entire league.  Yes, the roster is getting younger, but I wouldn't expect any extension to be a cap buster.  These guys know what they're doing.  If he's not willing to take what the team is offering, they won't overspend.
   
3. Disagree.  We've seen a lot more balance out of the offense of late with him on the field.  His decreased production has removed the notion that he dictates the way we call plays.  2 or 3 years ago that would have been the case.  Not today.
   
4. I've never understood this logic.  Why does he deserve better? 
   

Few disagree with bringing him back at a reasonable price. But has there ever been a running back, especially a former pro-bowler admit he

has lost a step? Every single one of them are like old Boxers, they don't see what everyone else sees, father time has hit.

I expect no different with Drew. He has a huge amount of pride and ego and I don't expect him signing again for  1.5 million per year.

If we could get him at that price, he could help the team and not take serious money away from potential other signings.

We really need a Tight end that can catch 60 balls a year. That will take some serious cash if in free agency.

 We need a guard and center, good ones, and of course will have to pay for a high

first round QB.

So if he demands 3-4 million per year then wish him well and let him go.

Quote:I say no. And for many reasons. But I can boil them down into four.

 

1. He's getting old and has lost a step. You can make excuses all you want, but when he gets wiggle room and out into open space, you can just see it in his legs. It's not there anymore.

2. This roster is getting younger, and we need all the cap space we can get to re-sign said younger players on the roster that emerge as starters/playmakers.

3. He kind of dictates the overall playcalling and gameplan for us, and IMHO, needs to go simply because whoever ends up getting the QB job needs to be the man in charge and running the show.

4. He just needs to go. He gave us 1600 yards a few years ago, his best single season performance of his career, and it only netted us five victories. He deserves better than that. He should be on a better team.

 

 

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1. I haven't seen anyone making excuses for him. It's pretty obvious to anyone with 2 eyes who has watched him throughout his NFL career that he's lost a step.  That doesn't mean he can't help this team.
   
2. This team has one of the healthiest cap situations in the entire league.  Yes, the roster is getting younger, but I wouldn't expect any extension to be a cap buster.  These guys know what they're doing.  If he's not willing to take what the team is offering, they won't overspend.
   
3. Disagree.  We've seen a lot more balance out of the offense of late with him on the field.  His decreased production has removed the notion that he dictates the way we call plays.  2 or 3 years ago that would have been the case.  Not today.
   
4. I've never understood this logic.  Why does he deserve better? 
   

 

 

Yeah, I have to agree with FBT on this one. Pretty sure he isn't dictating anything on the 2014 Jags and I'm not entirely sure that he would get the lions share of the carries on any Super Bowl caliber team anyway.

 

I expect he'll be back for a reasonable price but the team will mix in young legs on running downs, with MJD getting the majority of work in the passing game. Heck, Todman's already in a timeshare with him this year for carries.

Methinks if the team brings him back, His fans up there ^^^ will claim it is was at a "reasonable" price no matter what the price is. Wait & watch. 

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1. I haven't seen anyone making excuses for him. It's pretty obvious to anyone with 2 eyes who has watched him throughout his NFL career that he's lost a step.  That doesn't mean he can't help this team.
   
2. This team has one of the healthiest cap situations in the entire league.  Yes, the roster is getting younger, but I wouldn't expect any extension to be a cap buster.  These guys know what they're doing.  If he's not willing to take what the team is offering, they won't overspend.
   
3. Disagree.  We've seen a lot more balance out of the offense of late with him on the field.  His decreased production has removed the notion that he dictates the way we call plays.  2 or 3 years ago that would have been the case.  Not today.
   
4. I've never understood this logic.  Why does he deserve better? 
   

 

 

Valid points. I hear it on the radio all the time though from diehard fans that think MJD still hasn't lost a step. I think your point about the team's cap situation, and them not overspending may play the biggest role in him not coming back. We won't overspend. And he'll want more. And, I just feel that a guy of his caliber should be playing on a better football team. I feel the same way about Adrian Peterson in MInnesotta too. I'd like to see a guy of his caliber get a chance at a ring.

As a Jags fan, I (selfishly) would love for MJD to stay and retire a Jag. On the other hand he has contributed alot to this organization and only got to the playoffs twice in his career. He deserves to play for a contender.  

Quote:Methinks if the team brings him back, His fans up there ^^^ will claim it is was at a "reasonable" price no matter what the price is. Wait & watch. 

 

Methinks no matter what the team does, ^^^ will find an angle to soil himself.  Wait and watch.

 

Quote:Valid points. I hear it on the radio all the time though from diehard fans that think MJD still hasn't lost a step. I think your point about the team's cap situation, and them not overspending may play the biggest role in him not coming back. We won't overspend. And he'll want more. And, I just feel that a guy of his caliber should be playing on a better football team. I feel the same way about Adrian Peterson in MInnesotta too. I'd like to see a guy of his caliber get a chance at a ring.

 

Again, why does any player deserve a chance to get a ring?  Aren't they getting one just by being in the NFL?  This notion that it's noble to let a player who can contribute go because the team is bad and he deserves a ring has always seemed like such a silly notion.  I couldn't care less if a guy like Peterson ever gets a ring.  I'd like to see MJD get one...here. 

Quote:Methinks if the team brings him back, His fans up there ^^^ will claim it is was at a "reasonable" price no matter what the price is. Wait & watch. 

 

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