I just don't see much discussion on something I think would be a pretty popular topic.
I'm not feeling very good about it. We're creating a situation that makes attendance a problem......really bad team, moving home games against high profile teams to London, etc. Pretty bothersome to me. I can deal with the team being temporarily bad but some of the other signs are depressing.
We've discussed it ad nauseam.
How are we creating a situation that makes attendance a problem?
Quote:How are we creating a situation that makes attendance a problem?
The team isn't competitive (putting it mildly) and, for some unknown reason, performs more poorly at home. So far, the home games we have moved to London have been against teams that will draw a lot of people.....SF (popular team plus in the SB last year) and Dallas (arguably the most popular team in the league).
Next year's opening home game will be the first sellout in forever at Everbank. Proof that Khan is doing the right things with the countless initiatives he is launching.
Khan and Lamping have both acknowledged the fans are doing their part and when you say the team sucks, well everybody knows that.
Roger Goodell commended Jax this weekend for our franchise , community support and the way we are going about our business in maintaining Everbank. When Darth Vader praises us that is huge!
Supply and demand - one of the strongest laws of our free market economy - one less home game will reduce stress on our local ticket sales by increasing demand - simple logic. Yes we are upsetting some of our local die hards with the loss of a game but those same die hards who even on this board vent their frustrations will be the same loyal fans that are saving this franchise and continue to attend games.
Not at all. Sellouts are making the owners salivate. If you are an owner with a small market or not selling out every game, you have to thinking long and hard about the being the one having the only team in the UK and selling out every game.
Quote:Not at all. Sellouts are making the owners salivate. If you are an owner with a small market or not selling out every game, you have to thinking long and hard about the being the one having the only team in the UK and selling out every game.
They're selling out because they're events.
Strap London with a team that's won 7 games in 3 years and let's see just how die-hard their fans truly are, especially when you see crowd shots during the game where just about every team jersey is represented.
If it's no longer an event, but just a regular season game where the home team is winless, I doubt you'd see much more loyal fan support than we do here in Jacksonville currently. In fact, considering just how bad this team has been for the past few years, we're doing a monumental job of continuing to show up even when we know the team won't.
Quote:I just don't see much discussion on something I think would be a pretty popular topic.
I'm not feeling very good about it. We're creating a situation that makes attendance a problem......really bad team, moving home games against high profile teams to London, etc. Pretty bothersome to me. I can deal with the team being temporarily bad but some of the other signs are depressing.
At this time, it would be like discussing the grand opening of the Dames Point Bridge.
A lot of the stuff here was promoting Jacksonville. They had people handing out flyers to win a holiday to Jax "Where Flordia begins". Beachballs with "visit Jacksonville and the beaches" on them etc.
Shad iis promoting not only the team but the city over here in Europe.
Quote:They're selling out because they're events.
Strap London with a team that's won 7 games in 3 years and let's see just how die-hard their fans truly are, especially when you see crowd shots during the game where just about every team jersey is represented.
If it's no longer an event, but just a regular season game where the home team is winless, I doubt you'd see much more loyal fan support than we do here in Jacksonville currently. In fact, considering just how bad this team has been for the past few years, we're doing a monumental job of continuing to show up even when we know the team won't.
Yes, they are selling out and no, I did not mention any team. In a sport where revenue is the real game, owners are discussing next steps.
Quote:At this time, it would be like discussing the grand opening of the Dames Point Bridge.
Well, I think Goodell just stated for the first time that they want a team in London. If he specifically said it before, I missed it. I just think that, if you owned a team and wanted to move it to London, you would do just what is being done now. I hope I am wrong!
Quote:I just don't see much discussion on something I think would be a pretty popular topic.
I'm not feeling very good about it. We're creating a situation that makes attendance a problem......really bad team, moving home games against high profile teams to London, etc. Pretty bothersome to me. I can deal with the team being temporarily bad but some of the other signs are depressing.
In my opinion the owner has / had no desire to remain in Jacksonville when he bought the team. I'm not saying he is opposed to the city itself but rather the lack of revenue it'll generate compared to other cities. If he moves the team to London he has a better chance of being more profitable & increasing his fame (directed towards other business ventures) than if the team remained in Jacksonville. That being said one might think that his choice of Mularkey as his first head coach & being blown out at all the home games & then the firing of him for a head coach with no experince and a GM with no experince among choices theyve made like getting rid of their young Left Tackle whom was finally becoming a top 10 talent for basically nothing in return all raises questions to the team relocating.
If there was zero truth to relocating rumours they wouldve died off right? Must be a hint of truth behind them. So as fans what can we do? Sadly the best thing we can do is buy season tickets, attend all the games & cheer loudly even when we lose. Its the only thing that can counter his plans of relocating the team. If the stadium is sold out, and in attendance (one he might not want to leave then) & two it'll make him look really bad in the NFL.
somewhere in the archives, there is a billion page thread on the subject matter.
Quote:Well, I think Goodell just stated for the first time that they want a team in London. If he specifically said it before, I missed it. I just think that, if you owned a team and wanted to move it to London, you would do just what is being done now. I hope I am wrong!
That wasn't the first time he's said the league wants a team in London. It's been an ongoing discussion for a while now.
I honestly don't think London could support a franchise full time.
Whether you're talking about labor issues or sheer logistics, there are massive hurdles to overcome that won't be readily addressed any time soon.
Quote:Well, I think Goodell just stated for the first time that they want a team in London. If he specifically said it before, I missed it. I just think that, if you owned a team and wanted to move it to London, you would do just what is being done now. I hope I am wrong!
Goddell HAS to say this stuff. Just like any CEO, Goddell is under immense pressure to increase revenue. I believe revenue has come close to peaking in the US for their product which is why he is pressing so hard for an 18 game season and a full-time Thursday night schedule (700 million more in revenue or something like that).
On a side note of what FBT said, seeing people wearing all team jerseys, especially the cheese head made me laugh.
Quote:Well, I think Goodell just stated for the first time that they want a team in London. If he specifically said it before, I missed it. I just think that, if you owned a team and wanted to move it to London, you would do just what is being done now. I hope I am wrong!
Uh no, he has stated that multiple times and this has been discussed a million times.
Quote:In my opinion the owner has / had no desire to remain in Jacksonville when he bought the team. I'm not saying he is opposed to the city itself but rather the lack of revenue it'll generate compared to other cities. If he moves the team to London he has a better chance of being more profitable & increasing his fame (directed towards other business ventures) than if the team remained in Jacksonville. That being said one might think that his choice of Mularkey as his first head coach & being blown out at all the home games & then the firing of him for a head coach with no experince and a GM with no experince among choices theyve made like getting rid of their young Left Tackle whom was finally becoming a top 10 talent for basically nothing in return all raises questions to the team relocating.
If there was zero truth to relocating rumours they wouldve died off right? Must be a hint of truth behind them. So as fans what can we do? Sadly the best thing we can do is buy season tickets, attend all the games & cheer loudly even when we lose. Its the only thing that can counter his plans of relocating the team. If the stadium is sold out, and in attendance (one he might not want to leave then) & two it'll make him look really bad in the NFL.
If he had no desire, then he wouldn't spend the money he has and is going to spend to upgrade the stadium.
London is a long long way from having a team if they ever get one.
Quote:In my opinion the owner has / had no desire to remain in Jacksonville when he bought the team. I'm not saying he is opposed to the city itself but rather the lack of revenue it'll generate compared to other cities. If he moves the team to London he has a better chance of being more profitable & increasing his fame (directed towards other business ventures) than if the team remained in Jacksonville. That being said one might think that his choice of Mularkey as his first head coach & being blown out at all the home games & then the firing of him for a head coach with no experince and a GM with no experince among choices theyve made like getting rid of their young Left Tackle whom was finally becoming a top 10 talent for basically nothing in return all raises questions to the team relocating.
If there was zero truth to relocating rumours they wouldve died off right? Must be a hint of truth behind them. So as fans what can we do? Sadly the best thing we can do is buy season tickets, attend all the games & cheer loudly even when we lose. Its the only thing that can counter his plans of relocating the team. If the stadium is sold out, and in attendance (one he might not want to leave then) & two it'll make him look really bad in the NFL.
Why would rumors die off? They are rumors.
Quote:In my opinion the owner has / had no desire to remain in Jacksonville when he bought the team. I'm not saying he is opposed to the city itself but rather the lack of revenue it'll generate compared to other cities. If he moves the team to London he has a better chance of being more profitable & increasing his fame (directed towards other business ventures) than if the team remained in Jacksonville. That being said one might think that his choice of Mularkey as his first head coach & being blown out at all the home games & then the firing of him for a head coach with no experince and a GM with no experince among choices theyve made like getting rid of their young Left Tackle whom was finally becoming a top 10 talent for basically nothing in return all raises questions to the team relocating.
If there was zero truth to relocating rumours they wouldve died off right? Must be a hint of truth behind them. So as fans what can we do? Sadly the best thing we can do is buy season tickets, attend all the games & cheer loudly even when we lose. Its the only thing that can counter his plans of relocating the team. If the stadium is sold out, and in attendance (one he might not want to leave then) & two it'll make him look really bad in the NFL.
A lot of the relocating rumors you're talking about are perpetuated by a poorly informed media that doesn't bother to research the issue when adding the Jags to the list. They simply regurgitate the same nonsense they've heard or read somewhere else and don't bother to look any deeper into it to see if there's any facts supporting the rumor. Howie Long made a comment yesterday during the halftime show that perfectly embodies that point. He has no idea what he's talking about, but he made reference to the fact that London is getting a look at their future team.
To say that the only thing we can do as fans to counter the relocation plans for this team is to buy season tickets implies that there are actually plans to relocate this team. Have you seen them? Or, like the ignorant media who don't bother to do any real investigation, are you just regurgitating what they're telling you?
I'm not a fan of the London experiment. I certainly don't deny being concerned that this is a test to see how well the team would be received in London. However, when you look at what's being done to upgrade the stadium, and other investments in trying to build up the local market as well as the local economy in Jacksonville, it's clear Shad Khan isn't just in this for the opportunity to move the franchise.
I feel more comfortable now than a year ago when the overseas games were announced, although I remain concerned that since the Jaguars are the only franchise that has a permanent footprint in place in London that at the very least, we could expand the number of games we're playing over there. While the league may not be able to support a full time franchise over there, they might give strong consideration to a part-time franchise that plays half their games in London and the other half state side. That's certainly a possibliity, and if the league ever floated that idea, I have no doubt Khan would race to find a camera to offer up his franchise.
But, that's just my speculation. When I look at the facts, those rumors are completely irrelevant because they come from the same pool of ignorance that we've had to deal with for years. People assume there are serious problems in Jacksonville, and that every game is blacked out and we are undeserving of a franchise. When you press these same "journalists" to tell you when the last blackout occured in Jacksonville, or if you flat out tell them when it was, they're usually surprised and some will even admit they were just going on the media perception and not based on factual data.
So, why do the rumors persist? Because the media is lazy.
I don't get the fixation on London. They will most likely move a team there, then it will fail. I'd look toward Berlin if you want to break into the European market. NFL Europe was essentially NFL Deutschland by the time they shut it down ( think there was only one other team left outside Germany, a Dutch one).