Quote:It's astounding, how quick the Texans went from contenders to pretenders.
Kubiak has to go.
Unless the Texans unexpectedly get back on the path they were on prior to their much more difficult than expected OT win over the Jaguars last November, it's indeed likely that Gary Kubiak won't be the team's Head Coach for the 2014 season. A major question would then become would the new Texans HC retain Defensive Coordinator Wade Phillips if the latter wanted to return???
Quote:It's astounding, how quick the Texans went from contenders to pretenders.
Kubiak has to go.
what are you nuts??? Kubiak has to STAY!!! :yes:
Quote:Unless the Texans unexpectedly get back on the path they were on prior to their much more difficult than expected OT win over the Jaguars last November, it's indeed likely that Gary Kubiak won't be the team's Head Coach for the 2014 season. A major question would then become would the new Texans HC retain Defensive Coordinator Wade Phillips if the latter wanted to return???
So the Jags keep JDR for 75 second chances/ losing seasons, and the Texans miss the playoffs one season in a row and Kubiak's fired? Not fair.... they should have to endure what we did.
keenum to start against chiefs. im actually excited to see what the kids got.
Quote:So the Jags keep JDR for 75 second chances/ losing seasons, and the Texans miss the playoffs one season in a row and Kubiak's fired? Not fair.... they should have to endure what we did.
Regarding playoff appearances, both coaches led their respective teams to the playoffs twice. JDR lasted until the last 5 games of his 9th season. Assuming Gary Kubiak finishes this season, he would have completed 8 seasons. They both had more than a fair chance to get beyond the 2nd Round of the playoffs.
Unless Kubiak can substantially reverse the direction the Texans have been going in since their less than stellar OT over the Jaguars last season, it's hard to picture owner Bob McNair giving Kubiak another opportunity. In truth, some owners would have fired Kubiak at the end of last season, even though they advanced to the 2nd Round of the playoffs a 2nd consecutive season.
Quote:keenum to start against chiefs. im actually excited to see what the kids got.
His first test is against one of the best Defenses in the league, in what will be a sea of red at Arrowhead Stadium. If Case Keenum can help lead the Texans to an upset on the road over the Chiefs, that would likely keep him in the starting lineup for at least several weeks........... even if he regresses the following week or two..
Quote:Unless the Texans unexpectedly get back on the path they were on prior to their much more difficult than expected OT win over the Jaguars last November, it's indeed likely that Gary Kubiak won't be the team's Head Coach for the 2014 season. A major question would then become would the new Texans HC retain Defensive Coordinator Wade Phillips if the latter wanted to return???
Even better, they elevate Marshmello Wade to HC!!! Championship!!
Quote:Even better, they elevate Marshmello Wade to HC!!! Championship!!
Exhibit A of a coach who is much better suited to be a Defensive Coordinator than as a Head Coach.
Quote: Regarding playoff appearances, both coaches led their respective teams to the playoffs twice. JDR lasted until the last 5 games of his 9th season. Assuming Gary Kubiak finishes this season, he would have completed 8 seasons. They both had more than a fair chance to get beyond the 2nd Round of the playoffs.
Unless Kubiak can substantially reverse the direction the Texans have been going in since their less than stellar OT over the Jaguars last season, it's hard to picture owner Bob McNair giving Kubiak another opportunity. In truth, some owners would have fired Kubiak at the end of last season, even though they advanced to the 2nd Round of the playoffs a 2nd consecutive season.
I know he had a similar length of career, but as said - JDR made the playoffs in 2007, and then proceeded to have 4 more non winning seasons until he was finally fired.
The Texans fans shouldn't be getting off the hook after only one non playoff/ non winning (maybe) season. They deserve to go through what we did, dang it!!!! :angry:
Quote:I know he had a similar length of career, but as said - JDR made the playoffs in 2007, and then proceeded to have 4 more non winning seasons until he was finally fired.
The Texans fans shouldn't be getting off the hook after only one non playoff/ non winning (maybe) season. They deserve to go through what we did, dang it!!!! :angry:
Part of reason that Gary Kubiak probably won't additional opportunities closely to what JDR got after 2007 is because of what transpired with the Jaguars in following seasons. Being that the Jaguars are in the same division as the Texans, Bob McNair and G.M Rick Smith saw up close the diminishing returns that occurred with the Jaguars with JDR being kept too long. Their often comes a time when the messages that a Head Coach tries to convey gets tuned out.
Quote:A case can be made that the Jaguars are the team that began the Texans downward slide and likely closed the door on the Texans window with their current core group of players. While the Texans finally beat the Jaguars in OT last season, the Texans lost their swagger/ confidence that day. The Texans were very fortunate to defeat the Lions on Thanksgiving Day 4 days later. Then in their next game at New England on a MNF contest, the Texans hardly put up any resistance. Of course, J.J. Watt came to play but the team as a whole was nothing like the Texans team prior to their OT win over the Jaguars.
I never took you as a troll D6 ... that is one simplified version of the state of events that became the demise of a franchise.
In just a few games, the Texans died? Comic books are longer, and more thought out.
Quote:I never took you as a troll D6 ... that is one simplified version of the state of events that became the demise of a franchise.
In just a few games, the Texans died? Comic books are longer, and more thought out.
Sammy, in your opinion when do you believe things turned downwards with the Texans?
The point I was making in my post was time frame based and that they lost their collective confidence quickly. A detailed summary of downward plight of the Texans wasn't my intention.
The Texans did win a game ( at Tennessee ) before they got beaten badly by the Patriots on MNF. I stand corrected from what I expressed previously. Despite that, unless you and/ or anyone else can convince me, I'm of the opinion that the OT win over the Jaguars was the game that was the beginning of their downward spiral of the Texans. Maybe, the Texans will turn things around and get back to where they were prior to their 2012 home game vs. the Jaguars. It would surprise me though if they accomplish this with their current core of players.
Quote:Sammy, in your opinion when do you believe things turned downwards with the Texans?
The point I was making in my post was time frame based and that they lost their collective confidence quickly. A detailed summary of downward plight of the Texans wasn't my intention.
The Texans did win a game ( at Tennessee ) before they got beaten badly by the Patriots on MNF. I stand corrected from what I expressed previously. Despite that, unless you and/ or anyone else can convince me, I'm of the opinion that the OT win over the Jaguars was the game that was the beginning of their downward spiral of the Texans. Maybe, the Texans will turn things around and get back to where they were prior to their 2012 home game vs. the Jaguars. It would surprise me though if they accomplish this with their current core of players.
In my opinion, the Texans turning point was when they got embarrassed by the Patriots in Foxboro. No matter the records, the Jaguars/Texans games are always good games and I know the Texans players never take them lightly. Going into overtime with the Jags wouldn't shake their confidence as they already respect them in the first place.
Quote:In my opinion, the Texans turning point was when they got embarrassed by the Patriots in Foxboro. No matter the records, the Jaguars/Texans games are always good games and I know the Texans players never take them lightly. Going into overtime with the Jags wouldn't shake their confidence as they already respect them in the first place.
I remember alot of people talking up Houston last year after they won at Chicago. It turned out the Bears weren't really very good. And Houston sort of went downhill from there.
I am pretty surprised it has gotten this bad though. I can't see Schaub coming back in 2014, so I wonder what their plan is there.
An element of this is bad drafting over the past couple years. Not since Watt and Reed a couple years ago have they had some true contributors. Mercilus? Hopkins? Draft and develop, game of replacement. Texans getting slacked in that area for just a couple seasons will hurt them no matter how good Foster, Johnson, Watt, Cushing can be.
Quote:An element of this is bad drafting over the past couple years. Not since Watt and Reed a couple years ago have they had some true contributors. Mercilus? Hopkins? Draft and develop, game of replacement. Texans getting slacked in that area for just a couple seasons will hurt them no matter how good Foster, Johnson, Watt, Cushing can be.
I feel like Hopkins is gonna be pretty solid, though. Not a game-changer, but very dependable.
Quote:In my opinion, the Texans turning point was when they got embarrassed by the Patriots in Foxboro. No matter the records, the Jaguars/Texans games are always good games and I know the Texans players never take them lightly. Going into overtime with the Jags wouldn't shake their confidence as they already respect them in the first place.
BattleRedBlood, thanks for your reply.
You definitely raise a great point about the Jaguars giving the Texans all they can handle in many past games.
My thought process was more along the lines of what Shack Del Rio expressed, in that from my perspective the peak of the Texans was during the win in Chicago over a Bears team that was 7-1. The Bears were very opportunistic going into the game, forcing turnovers and scoring directly or directly on so many of those turnovers. The were hitting on multiple cylinders. The Bears downward spiral last season began against the Texans. The next MNF, they were beaten handily in SF against the eventual NFC Champion 49ers. While I thought it was a mistake for the Bears to fire Lovie Smith after a 10-6 season, if the Bears would have beaten the Texans, Smith likely would still be the Bears coach. Because the Texans were able to beat the Bears on the road, their overall start to their season, and the difficulties the Jaguars were having, I was very surprised that the Jaguars came extremely close to beating the Texans in Houston. That was the game when the light came on for Justin Blackmon, after he was going through growing pains as a rookie prior to that.
One additional thought. When looking at the overall body of work by GM Rick Smith, I think it would be in the Texans best interest if Bob McNair retains him even if Gary Kubiak is fired. Rick Smith has one of the best track records in the NFL. Many people forget how far down the Texans were when Smith became GM. Smith built a very good roster. While it's an uphill battle for the current core group of players to get over the top, it doesn't take away from the 2 Division Titles and a playoff win over the Bengals in both seasons. The Texans wouldn't be the first team with a good core group to fail to get over the top and they won't be the last.
And they lost again!
Texans sitting at 2-5 with games remaining against Indy, New England and Denver.