Quote:I got plenty of discipline when necessary. I would have been grounded for an entire quarter had I gotten a "C". What you're proposing is not discipline. It's forcing conformity on those who don't necessarily deserve to be punished. You're "punishing" someone on looks alone and literally nothing more.
lol, forcing conformity....good Lord....
its kids in school. A little rule following isn't going to kill them. As said, school preps you (or is supposed to help prep you) for the real world......well, in the workforce in the real world, you generally have to have a kept appearance. Nothing wrong with enforcing standards for kids going to school.
When they become 18 and graduate, they can grow their hair to the sky if they wish.,,,,
Quote:You do realize that most kids in school AREN'T like you, right?
What you and TMD are proposing would effect people like me. Of course I realize that my situation isn't typical and that I didn't take the typical route through school. That doesn't change that zero-tolerance policies on hairstyles are ridiculous and would punish those who don't need to be punished for absolutely no reason.
When I was in school, I would have loved to have long hair or other goofy hairstyles...., I pushed the boundary as much as I could get away with. but in the end, I had to abide by the rules. It never killed me or made me unable to think for myself. It was just part of the rules. We didn't like it, but in the scheme of things it really wasn't that big of a deal. And later on, as we grew up, we understood why the rules were put in place to begin with.
Quote:What you and TMD are proposing would effect people like me. Of course I realize that my situation isn't typical and that I didn't take the typical route through school. That doesn't change that zero-tolerance policies on hairstyles are ridiculous and would punish those who don't need to be punished for absolutely no reason.
I hope you plan on working in a field that won't require you to keep a certain image....cuz if you hate to be told how to look as a kid, wait til someone does it when you're an adult!
Quote:When I was in school, I would have loved to have long hair, I pushed the boundary as much as I could get away with. but in the end, I had to abide by the rules. It never killed me or made me unable to think for myself. It was just part of the rules. We didn't like it, but in the scheme of things it really wasn't that big of a deal.
So, I shouldn't have been allowed to have long hair despite everything I just said simply because I wasn't old enough? Not because I was misbehaving or acting out but simply because of my age.
Quote:I hope you plan on working in a field that won't require you to keep a certain image....cuz if you hate to be told how to look as a kid, wait til someone does it when you're an adult!
I'm in school to be a Web Developer. I've been learning how to program on my own (until now) for the past seven years. I could work freelance if I felt like it, and make more than enough to survive doing it. Just because someone looks different or wears there hair different doesn't mean that there some horrible authority hating rage bubble.
Quote:So, I shouldn't have been allowed to have long hair despite everything I just said simply because I wasn't old enough? Not because I was misbehaving or acting out but simply because of my age.
I know most schools that have these kinds of rules/ policy/ dress codes - have them to try and keep uniformity and lessen ego's/ distractions/ etc etc in the learning environment. The kids are supposed to be there to get an education, not be fashion puppets. I'd imagine teaching some discipline is also part of the rationale behind it as well. As I mentioned previously, in the workforce in the real world, thats pretty much how it is as well, so having to present yourself a certain way in school is just training for that environment.
Hair style isn't indicative of discipline or lack thereof, and some of the "rules" regarding hair style in schools are ridiculous.
Quote:I know most schools that have these kinds of rules/ policy/ dress codes - have them to try and keep uniformity and lessen ego's/ distractions/ etc etc in the learning environment. The kids are supposed to be there to get an education, not be fashion puppets. I'd imagine teaching some discipline is also part of the rationale behind it as well. As I mentioned previously, in the workforce in the real world, thats pretty much how it is as well, so having to present yourself a certain way in school is just training for that environment.
I got my education just fine, and had even been marked absent a few times while I was there (really distracting, eh?). I've seen plenty of people in the "real world workforce" (which I've been part of before, mind you) with hair styles far more "distracting" than what I'd seen in school.
Oh, and I disagree with the notion that uniformity is a good thing. We're individuals and humans thrive best when individuals are free to act as individuals while contributing to the group. If we all act, dress, and look the same we'd lose the ingenuity that makes humans great. We aren't bees or ants that are mindless drones for their hives.
Hmm, maybe I'm just not far enough removed from my days in high school or am not quite old enough to grasp the infinite wisdom you seem to hold...
Quote:Hair style isn't indicative of discipline or lack thereof, and some of the "rules" regarding hair style in schools are ridiculous.
Thank you!
Quote:Hair style isn't indicative of discipline or lack thereof,
If the rules say one thing and you do willfully do another, I'd beg to differ. If there's no rules in place, then, yeah the above would then be correct I suppose.....
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Oh, and I disagree with the notion that uniformity is a good thing. We're individuals and humans thrive best when individuals are free to act as individuals while contributing to the group. If we all act, dress, and look the same we'd lose the ingenuity that makes humans great. We aren't bees or ants that are mindless drones for their hives.
again, were talking about kids.....in school here....not adults. :blink:
and wow, oversell much??? :wacko: the above somehow doesn't fit with rules enforcing dress code for kids in school. I mean, wow....you act as if there would be permanent trauma affixed to these kids by gasp....keeping their hair & clothes within a certain standard while in the time spent in elementary/ high school. I'm pretty sure therapy sessions weren't needed by most of us that had to endure this "hardship" as a kid....lol
Quote:If the rules say one thing and you do willfully do another, I'd beg to differ. If there's no rules in place, then, yeah the above would then be correct I suppose.....
again, were talking about kids.....in school here....not adults. :blink:
Again, age shouldn't matter.
"I ain't gonna buy no car from some long haired hippy, What you think I am, sum kinda uncivilized ape?"
Jesus people, its hair, chill the hell out. I had long hair in high school, got along fine with my teachers and friends, made great grades, had no issues. What is wrong with you people? Do we all have to look like a politician in order to be considered decent in this society? Wow....
Quote:"I ain't gonna buy no car from some long haired hippy, What you think I am, sum kinda uncivilized ape?"
Jesus people, its hair, chill the hell out. I had long hair in high school, got along fine with my teachers and friends, made great grades, had no issues. What is wrong with you people? Do we all have to look like a politician in order to be considered decent in this society? Wow....
According to TMD and bchbunnie, yeah, we do. Oh wait, no, with TMD it's just kids. Kids have to look like politicians.
Quote:"I ain't gonna buy no car from some long haired hippy, What you think I am, sum kinda uncivilized ape?"
Jesus people, its hair, chill the hell out. I had long hair in high school, got along fine with my teachers and friends, made great grades, had no issues. What is wrong with you people? Do we all have to look like a politician in order to be considered decent in this society? Wow....
Its actually not that at all....at least not in my argument.
Sounds like you just wanted to vent.
Quote:If the rules say one thing and you do willfully do another, I'd beg to differ. If there's no rules in place, then, yeah the above would then be correct I suppose.....
Story time for you TMD about "rules" regarding hair and how school administration applies them:
I remember when Katrina hit we got some transplants from Louisiana and I had a guy transfer to my school from some suburban school because he had dreadlocks and the administration was all for letting him transfer there until they saw he had dreadlocks
even though there was nothing in their dress code that said he couldn't have dreads. The only thing involving hairstyles in their dress code was unnatural hair color. They told him that he could be admitted if he cut his hair.
And more recently a girl left a school in Oklahoma she had been attending because they deemed her dreadlocks to be against the dress code and "faddish" and distracting...
even after she was at the same school with the same hairstyle the year before.
A friend of mine wanted to go to one of the more selective high schools in the area and their policy said that unnatural hair styles were not allowed, and they attempted to deny him admittance because he had dreadlocks. He graduated from an ivy league and is doing just fine these days.
Those are just a few of my dreadlock related examples of the "rules" and how they are applied.
Quote:Its actually not that at all....at least not in my argument.
Sounds like you just wanted to vent.
Nah I didn't want to vent, I just don't understand what you people are saying in this thread. Basically conform because that's what you are supposed to do to be a good adult. Just not my cup of tea.
Quote:Story time for you TMD about "rules" regarding hair and how school administration applies them:
I remember when Katrina hit we got some transplants from Louisiana and I had a guy transfer to my school from some suburban school because he had dreadlocks and the administration was all for letting him transfer there until they saw he had dreadlocks even though there was nothing in their dress code that said he couldn't have dreads. The only thing involving hairstyles in their dress code was unnatural hair color. They told him that he could be admitted if he cut his hair.
And more recently a girl left a school in Oklahoma she had been attending because they deemed her dreadlocks to be against the dress code and "faddish" and distracting...even after she was at the same school with the same hairstyle the year before.
A friend of mine wanted to go to one of the more selective high schools in the area and their policy said that unnatural hair styles were not allowed, and they attempted to deny him admittance because he had dreadlocks. He graduated from an ivy league and is doing just fine these days.
Those are just a few of my dreadlock related examples of the "rules" and how they are applied.
So, the one girl left a school rather than simply cut her hair? lol..... Guess them hairstyles is serious business...
and the other?.....meh, I don't remember ever saying that long hair/ dreads/ whatever equaled idiocy.
Quote:According to TMD and bchbunnie, yeah, we do. Oh wait, no, with TMD it's just kids. Kids have to look like politicians.
Excuse me...I've never said everyone should look exactly the same, so please get off your little holier than thou, I'M an individual attitude with me.
My point has been not all dress code rules are wrong. Just because you and your friends weren't distracted by over the top hair styles doesn't mean some people aren't.
Quote:Nah I didn't want to vent, I just don't understand what you people are saying in this thread. Basically conform because that's what you are supposed to do to be a good adult. Just not my cup of tea.
:blink: :wacko:
sigh....
no.
But I think thats the point that you WANTED to take from our arguments, so be my guest....
Quote:Excuse me...I've never said everyone should look exactly the same, so please get off your little holier than thou, I'M an individual attitude with me.
My point has been not all dress code rules are wrong. Just because you and your friends weren't distracted by over the top hair styles doesn't mean some people aren't.
Nope, me neither.
He seems way too clingy to his contrived "identity".