(08-20-2017, 04:57 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (08-20-2017, 04:55 PM)Frailbones Wrote: [ -> ]And right now, I'll take 2007 Garrard. I think a lot of people will.
Too many fans are satisfied by mediocrity and that's why teams never improve.
When were we mediocre? Please remind me cuz I can't seem to remember.
(08-20-2017, 04:58 PM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ] (08-20-2017, 04:49 PM)jtmoney Wrote: [ -> ]I love Coughlin, but if he is letting politics play in his decision to not look at Kap than he is making a mistake. Football over politics.
You have to believe he is weighing the entirety of the situation.
And I think he is overplaying the politics side while not putting enough on the fans seeing awful football for 10 years side. If Kap started for us and we were winning, no one would care. He isn't going to kneel anymore. It would be a small fuss right when he was signed and then all anyone would care about is how he played.
(08-20-2017, 04:59 PM)jtmoney Wrote: [ -> ] (08-20-2017, 04:57 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Too many fans are satisfied by mediocrity and that's why teams never improve.
When were we mediocre? Please remind me cuz I can't seem to remember.
No. Let's just keep going 3-13 or 5-11. That's the cure!
Alex Smith (if we traded our 2nd rounder) would allow the Jags a chance to win the division. Which gets you into the playoffs and then a chance to lose to the Pats lol
Going 5-11 gets us a chance to miss out on the top QBs this year.
(08-20-2017, 05:01 PM)Frailbones Wrote: [ -> ] (08-20-2017, 04:59 PM)jtmoney Wrote: [ -> ]When were we mediocre? Please remind me cuz I can't seem to remember.
No. Let's just keep going 3-13 or 5-11. That's the cure!
Alex Smith (if we traded our 2nd rounder) would allow the Jags a chance to win the division. Which gets you into the playoffs and then a chance to lose to the Pats lol
Going 5-11 gets us a chance to miss out on the top QBs this year.
We want to win lunch right?
(08-20-2017, 04:58 PM)jtmoney Wrote: [ -> ] (08-20-2017, 04:57 PM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ]Really not much different than what is on the roster now. 3,905 yards, 23 TDs, 16 INTs, but Bortles actually has more rush yards, higher TD percentage, and less fumbles. Clearly if we are thinking Bortles is less than mediocre, than well, Bradford hasn't played "very well".
DG did it when it counted. Bortles has an all time record of garbage time statistics. I can't believe this is even being argued.
Pretty sure my post had nothing to do with DG. Keep up! It was in response to Bradford playing "very well". By the way, DG did it few games when it counted. But let's not act like he was a baller! His play and stats were very Bortle-esk. People were trying to run him out of the city as well.
(08-20-2017, 04:55 PM)Frailbones Wrote: [ -> ] (08-20-2017, 04:53 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]Essentially they traded for David Garrard circa 2007 but didn't even get to the playoffs, now they still have a mediocre QB and won't have the pick back to draft a good QB. They've entered QB purgatory.
And right now, I'll take 2007 Garrard. I think a lot of people will.
So a few years of almost being good but never beating the top teams or winning the division followed by having to fully rebuild again? Nah, David Garrard wasnt good, the team around him was good, and if shack hadn't been an idiot and had taken Roethlisberger when he was staring him in the face he might still have a job and the Jaguars probably would have won a few Superbowls. Instead a guy like Garrard is the worst thing to have, just good enough to keep you from easily replacing him, never good enough to win a Superbowl.
Kap would instantly be the best QB on this team. This is a fact.
Coughlin is just being a stubborn old man by refusing to bring him in. I dont care whos feeling he hurt by kneeling down instead of standing for a song. I want to the Jags to win football games, he could give the nazi salute during the anthem for all I give a damn. Just throw the football to the correct team....
I also dont care about "but but our draft position". None of that bs has worked out for us in the last decade. Win games, pick where you pick.
(08-20-2017, 05:03 PM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ] (08-20-2017, 04:58 PM)jtmoney Wrote: [ -> ]DG did it when it counted. Bortles has an all time record of garbage time statistics. I can't believe this is even being argued.
Pretty sure my post had nothing to do with DG. Keep up! It was in response to Bradford playing "very well". By the way, DG did it few games when it counted. But let's not act like he was a baller! His play and stats were very Bortle-esk. People were trying to run him out of the city as well.
Either way, point remains. DG was not Bortle-esk. Bortle-esk is his own thing. He throws pic sixes like he is getting paid to, he fumbles the ball like he is getting a bonus each time he does and he is extremely inaccurate turning footballs into helicopters. Are you really comparing Bortles to DG?
(08-20-2017, 05:09 PM)TearExtractor Wrote: [ -> ]Kap would instantly be the best QB on this team. This is a fact.
Coughlin is just being a stubborn old man by refusing to bring him in. I dont care whos feeling he hurt by kneeling down instead of standing for a song. I want to the Jags to win football games, he could give the nazi salute during the anthem for all I give a damn. Just throw the football to the correct team....
I also dont care about "but but our draft position". None of that bs has worked out for us in the last decade. Win games, pick where you pick.
Exactly. And Coughlin needs to find the best football players. Politics should have nothing to do with it.
(08-20-2017, 05:03 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (08-20-2017, 04:55 PM)Frailbones Wrote: [ -> ]And right now, I'll take 2007 Garrard. I think a lot of people will.
So a few years of almost being good but never beating the top teams or winning the division followed by having to fully rebuild again? Nah, David Garrard wasnt good, the team around him was good, and if shack hadn't been an idiot and had taken Roethlisberger when he was staring him in the face he might still have a job and the Jaguars probably would have won a few Superbowls. Instead a guy like Garrard is the worst thing to have, just good enough to keep you from easily replacing him, never good enough to win a Superbowl.
This argument could go on forever, but Kap would be an upgrade so we should be talking to him. Period.
(08-20-2017, 05:03 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (08-20-2017, 04:55 PM)Frailbones Wrote: [ -> ]And right now, I'll take 2007 Garrard. I think a lot of people will.
So a few years of almost being good but never beating the top teams or winning the division followed by having to fully rebuild again? Nah, David Garrard wasnt good, the team around him was good, and if shack hadn't been an idiot and had taken Roethlisberger when he was staring him in the face he might still have a job and the Jaguars probably would have won a few Superbowls. Instead a guy like Garrard is the worst thing to have, just good enough to keep you from easily replacing him, never good enough to win a Superbowl.
Jags went into a ful rebuild because they continued to choose the wrong QBs. It had nothing to do with where they were drafting but who they were drafting.
Whether we are picking 1 10 or 25, they need to choose the right guy. And until they do, having a guy like Alex Smith is a good choice.
A web based journalist likes to whine about Kaepernick?? Say it isn't so!!
That's what dozens of these clowns are doing to generate clicks currently.
LOL
Guys - there's no rule that says you need to start a thread every time some joker says something about the Jags' QB situation.
We've got three marginally talented QBs. Do we really need a fourth?
(08-20-2017, 05:17 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]A web based journalist likes to whine about Kaepernick?? Say it isn't so!!
That's what dozens of these clowns are doing to generate clicks currently.
LOL
Guys - there's no rule that says you need to start a thread every time some joker says something about the Jags' QB situation.
We've got three marginally talented QBs. Do we really need a fourth?
I guess it depends on if you think Kap is the same as what we have which I don't and others don't. Bring in football players. Why wouldn't you?
(08-20-2017, 05:12 PM)jtmoney Wrote: [ -> ] (08-20-2017, 05:03 PM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ]Pretty sure my post had nothing to do with DG. Keep up! It was in response to Bradford playing "very well". By the way, DG did it few games when it counted. But let's not act like he was a baller! His play and stats were very Bortle-esk. People were trying to run him out of the city as well.
Either way, point remains. DG was not Bortle-esk. Bortle-esk is his own thing. He throws pic sixes like he is getting paid to, he fumbles the ball like he is getting a bonus each time he does and he is extremely inaccurate turning footballs into helicopters. Are you really comparing Bortles to DG?
(08-20-2017, 05:09 PM)TearExtractor Wrote: [ -> ]Kap would instantly be the best QB on this team. This is a fact.
Coughlin is just being a stubborn old man by refusing to bring him in. I dont care whos feeling he hurt by kneeling down instead of standing for a song. I want to the Jags to win football games, he could give the nazi salute during the anthem for all I give a damn. Just throw the football to the correct team....
I also dont care about "but but our draft position". None of that bs has worked out for us in the last decade. Win games, pick where you pick.
Exactly. And Coughlin needs to find the best football players. Politics should have nothing to do with it.
(08-20-2017, 05:03 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]So a few years of almost being good but never beating the top teams or winning the division followed by having to fully rebuild again? Nah, David Garrard wasnt good, the team around him was good, and if shack hadn't been an idiot and had taken Roethlisberger when he was staring him in the face he might still have a job and the Jaguars probably would have won a few Superbowls. Instead a guy like Garrard is the worst thing to have, just good enough to keep you from easily replacing him, never good enough to win a Superbowl.
This argument could go on forever, but Kap would be an upgrade so we should be talking to him. Period.
I've never been against picking up Kap for ideological reasons like some are, I just don't think he's actually that good.
Really if Bortles can't get it done the Jaguars will need to be looking for another QB in the draft, they won't be helped by picking up Kap or trading for someone's backup.
(08-20-2017, 05:18 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (08-20-2017, 05:12 PM)jtmoney Wrote: [ -> ]Either way, point remains. DG was not Bortle-esk. Bortle-esk is his own thing. He throws pic sixes like he is getting paid to, he fumbles the ball like he is getting a bonus each time he does and he is extremely inaccurate turning footballs into helicopters. Are you really comparing Bortles to DG?
Exactly. And Coughlin needs to find the best football players. Politics should have nothing to do with it.
This argument could go on forever, but Kap would be an upgrade so we should be talking to him. Period.
I've never been against picking up Kap for ideological reasons like some are, I just don't think he's actually that good.
Really if Bortles can't get it done the Jaguars will need to be looking for another QB in the draft, they won't be helped by picking up Kap or trading for someone's backup.
If you are trying to win now as Coughlin said then there should be no reason why you wouldn't bring Kap in. Football wise there is zero risk.
It still amazes me that the Jags didn't bring anyone in at QB this offseason. I was legit shocked when they took Blair Brown in Rd 5 with Nathan Peterman still sitting there.
(08-20-2017, 04:57 PM)jtmoney Wrote: [ -> ] (08-20-2017, 04:55 PM)Frailbones Wrote: [ -> ]And right now, I'll take 2007 Garrard. I think a lot of people will.
Who wouldn't take Garrard right now...? Unless you just started becoming a Jags fan, he is the last QB to give us any hope.
We will all take that but not for a 1st round draft pick, cant waste picks for rental QBs, Viks gave up too much.
Kap is our best bet and they dont want him, teams are not giving up their backup QBs for cheap, if the starter goes down they are screwed.
Hundley would be nice and you would think can get for cheap, but he's the back QB, Packers not giving him up for cheap
(08-20-2017, 05:20 PM)jtmoney Wrote: [ -> ] (08-20-2017, 05:18 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]I've never been against picking up Kap for ideological reasons like some are, I just don't think he's actually that good.
Really if Bortles can't get it done the Jaguars will need to be looking for another QB in the draft, they won't be helped by picking up Kap or trading for someone's backup.
If you are trying to win now as Coughlin said then there should be no reason why you wouldn't bring Kap in. Football wise there is zero risk.
That's how you see it. Bringing in a guy to be your starter at this point when you'd have to redesign the offense around him doesn't seem like a winning move to me, but if you want Coughlin to desperately flail around going change for changes sake I think you're going to be disappointed.
I followed the trail of tears, and ended up here.
(08-20-2017, 05:28 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (08-20-2017, 05:20 PM)jtmoney Wrote: [ -> ]If you are trying to win now as Coughlin said then there should be no reason why you wouldn't bring Kap in. Football wise there is zero risk.
That's how you see it. Bringing in a guy to be your starter at this point when you'd have to redesign the offense around him doesn't seem like a winning move to me, but if you want Coughlin to desperately flail around going change for changes sake I think you're going to be disappointed.
This makes me actually laugh. Have you actually seen the stats for both QBs we do have since they've been in the league. You act like this playbook is designed by Bill Bellichick. This offense is run heavy. We just need a guy who can actually hit a receiver and throw a decent deep ball in play action.
(08-20-2017, 04:22 PM)BklynJag Wrote: [ -> ]@mikesilver Right now the Jags' QB strategy seems to be: Hope Bortles has a good game Thursday, or pray Henne improves steeply and suddenly...
He also said Coughlin is the reason we are not bringing in Kap.
Man, team is in disarray and we still in the preseason. It's baffling to me why no other QB was brought in during the off-season.
I'm confused. In another thread you started, the Jaguars were reportedly one of the teams interested in McCarron. You stressed that this reporter is a "top guy" and extremely credible. So either Silver is completely wrong on this and the team has indeed explored their options outside of the current roster, or they haven't and your "top guy" was wrong.
Which way should we play this?
As far as Coughlin being the reason Kaepernick is not an option here, I say thank God for Tom Coughlin.This notion that Kaepernick is head and shoulders better than what we have on the roster already is ludicrous. He's pedestrian. He flashed for one year with Harbaugh, and that was it. And even in that season, his stats were barely Garrardesque.
I have no doubt every possible option to bring in either via trade or off the street has been evaluated, and the front office is more than likely not seeing anyone that's going to be brought in at this point to be the savior. Either one of the guys on the roster is going to step up, or this team will be in the market for a high draft pick. Simple as that.
None of these "reporters" have a clue what's happening behind the scenes. All their tweets are pure speculation. This front office isn't sharing anything with anyone outside of the organization.
(08-20-2017, 04:50 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (08-20-2017, 04:42 PM)Frailbones Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe you should go look his stats up. 3900 yards 20 TDS 5 INTS with 71% completion. How would you characterize that?
Only 20 TD's after starting an entire season, an 8-8 record on a team that had one of the top defenses in the NFL and no playoff appearance. Most of the time, rookie QB's throw more than 20 TD's in a season. It's all about getting into the endzone. Nothing else matters. That was NOT a successful season, especially after what all they gave up to get him.
Better season than we have had in YEARS!! I would take those wins and those stats right now firmly on entertainment purposes.