(08-23-2017, 07:25 PM)Jerrad Wrote: [ -> ] (08-23-2017, 07:24 PM)TearExtractor Wrote: [ -> ]Henne will win us more games than Bortles can.
Im not sure how good 4 wins is vs 3 though 
The extra win will cause us to narrowly miss out on a generational QB and we draft a bust instead. Eventually this bust is replaced by a 40 year old Chad Henne.
#becausejaguars
(08-23-2017, 09:30 PM)archer56 Wrote: [ -> ]So, i see a bunch of recurring arguments.
1. Blake Bortles.getting 19m next year. Who cares? Its not like we are even close to cap trouble. Also, no one here is paying his salary. If you're mad about it dont watch.
2. We need a game manager and that's what henne is. We watched Henne try and be a game manager and he still threw picks, and still gets a ton of balls swatted at the line. He has no ability to run to even try ti escape a pass rush which in the division now, is arguably better than any time he was the starter.
3. Bortles completion % rules him out from being successful. For the record Cam newton has a sub 60% career comp % and only recently started getting that number up and he was drafted in 2011.
Actually this is way off, because we have several free agents that need to be re-signed next year, including Telvin Smith, A-Rob, Lee. Plus the Jags may want to go after someone like Alex Smith in FA.
$19M in cap space for a player who can't play and has no future is a huge risk.
The best pass in Bortles arsenal was the rollout pass. They've completely taken that from him.
(08-23-2017, 09:17 PM)FreeAgent01 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-23-2017, 08:51 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]I'd just trot out Bortles and go for the 2-14 season. Henne will get this squad to 6-7 wins and miss out on the DARNOLD.
You do realize Darnold is Bortles lite, right? For everything that you hate about Bortles, Darnold does worse.
The people on this message board....
Bortles couldn't hold the DARNOLD'S jock. Bortles lite lol. You've got to be kidding.
Maybe Henne can succeed as a starter. He's just always come in cold as backup. Just hoping for a miracle so 2017 is not a total loss
I don't blame Marrone. Blake, aside from being in a slump, is mentally fragile right now. He will second guess everything, down to which bar he should go to, Lemon Bar or Hoptinger
(08-23-2017, 08:23 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-23-2017, 08:15 PM)haveaseat Wrote: [ -> ]And you realize how many pick sixes Bortles has thrown? Being in the league 3 years! The guy is not the answer and almost a 20 million dollar liability on top of it. Henne started like 2 years ago. There are a lot of upgraded players on the team since then. The Jags had no choice but to do this.
So you don't think Bortles can change after 3 years, but you think Henne can change after 10 years in the league? If you honestly believe his game is going to change after 10 years, well, I got some ocean front property in Kansas for sell.
Wow. Really? Bortles has admitted not being a natural thrower of the football. What the hell kind of QB says this? Even it's it's true? It's your one job. The guy needs to go out to Cal every single offseason or his mechanics are garbage. Guess what? If your in your 4th year of the NFL and you still need to practice mechanics then it's just who you are. No one is saying Henne is the ~future~. Is he the better guy at this very moment? It's not even close. Bortles is in his own head. He's overthrowing, under throwing and playing tight. He's not the future. On top of everything else you play him and he gets injured so you owe this bum nearly 20 million. It's not hard to understand.
(08-23-2017, 07:24 PM)Jerrad Wrote: [ -> ]Welp. There's always 2018.
See, that's the trap everybody falls into. The 2018 season is over already, too.
A new regime that is trying to change the culture from Bradley's just get better rainbows and unicorn coaching style simply can't let the leader of the team at the most important position skate by playing as bad as Blake has played this offseason. You can't tell 21 other positions that they have to bust their butt and earn their job and then tell Blake "oh it's ok poor guy you were drafted #3 overall 4 years ago so your job is safe no matter how terrible you are."
Especially not when the backup came in after you threw two pick sixes and immediately started throwing darts all over the field, and then came in with the 1's in the second preseason game and immediately started throwing darts again. Henne earned it by flat out being better.
(08-23-2017, 06:58 PM)nhiverson Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah so its official. Is Blake done?
At the very least a determination has apparently been made that Chad Henne gives the Jaguars a better chance to win games in the foreseeable future. I think Tom Coughlin and Doug Marrone want to make sure that the other players on the roster know that the Jaguars are making winning the top priority this season.
(08-23-2017, 07:15 PM)HandsomeRob86 Wrote: [ -> ]Wow, Henne beat out 2 different QB's who were drafted to replace him. And Bortles is much better than Gabs. I have to wonder if this is a motivational tactic.
My guess is the motivational factor is at best a secondary reason for the decision. The team brass doesn't want to lose the locker room before the regular season begins.
rather have allen start. we all know the dumpster fire that is henne. I couldn't wait for the henne show to end years ago. certainly wont be happy to watch it again
(08-23-2017, 11:47 PM)haveaseat Wrote: [ -> ] (08-23-2017, 08:23 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]So you don't think Bortles can change after 3 years, but you think Henne can change after 10 years in the league? If you honestly believe his game is going to change after 10 years, well, I got some ocean front property in Kansas for sell.
Wow. Really? Bortles has admitted not being a natural thrower of the football. What the hell kind of QB says this? Even it's it's true? It's your one job. The guy needs to go out to Cal every single offseason or his mechanics are garbage. Guess what? If your in your 4th year of the NFL and you still need to practice mechanics then it's just who you are. No one is saying Henne is the ~future~. Is he the better guy at this very moment? It's not even close. Bortles is in his own head. He's overthrowing, under throwing and playing tight. He's not the future. On top of everything else you play him and he gets injured so you owe this bum nearly 20 million. It's not hard to understand.
Jesus Christ you're as clueless as they come. Tom Brady still works out with the same people Bortles is working out with and hes been in the NFL for how many years? He's just one of ALL of them who continues to work out with QB specialists during the off season. But I don't expect you to understand, or comprehend this basic and simple fact.
We get it, you're one of the many casuals who is stuck on the public bandwagon because that's what the media says. The TV/media says "we want Henne" so now you and all the other casuals want him as well. That's fine, but you'll soon be following the next popular media opinion of some talking clown. You'll realize Henne is still awful and they'll be calling for Henne's head as soon as he plays a couple games. But instead of admitting your guy's stupid mistake, you'll try and make up some dumb crap so you can try and spin it in some way.
Theres no downside to starting henne or allen, were losing either way. Bortles starts and gets hurt were stuck paying him 19mil, this isnt a difficult concept. Bortles time is up, the season is a wash and were on to 2018.
The chance Bortles gets hurt so bad he cant play next year is like .9% this really should be a non factor.
(08-24-2017, 12:42 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-23-2017, 11:47 PM)haveaseat Wrote: [ -> ]Wow. Really? Bortles has admitted not being a natural thrower of the football. What the hell kind of QB says this? Even it's it's true? It's your one job. The guy needs to go out to Cal every single offseason or his mechanics are garbage. Guess what? If your in your 4th year of the NFL and you still need to practice mechanics then it's just who you are. No one is saying Henne is the ~future~. Is he the better guy at this very moment? It's not even close. Bortles is in his own head. He's overthrowing, under throwing and playing tight. He's not the future. On top of everything else you play him and he gets injured so you owe this bum nearly 20 million. It's not hard to understand.
Jesus Christ you're as clueless as they come. Tom Brady still works out with the same people Bortles is working out with and hes been in the NFL for how many years? He's just one of ALL of them who continues to work out with QB specialists during the off season. But I don't expect you to understand, or comprehend this basic and simple fact.
We get it, you're one of the many casuals who is stuck on the public bandwagon because that's what the media says. The TV/media says "we want Henne" so now you and all the other casuals want him as well. That's fine, but you'll soon be following the next popular media opinion of some talking clown. You'll realize Henne is still awful and they'll be calling for Henne's head as soon as he plays a couple games. But instead of admitting your guy's stupid mistake, you'll try and make up some dumb crap so you can try and spin it in some way.
Tom Brady is the greatest of all time. A perfectionist. The guy was practicing his pocket footwork on the sideline in a pre-season against us he wasn't even playing in. Not to mention, it's mentioned all the time how Brady does it to tune up, not to learn how to throw a football or else he forgets after a few months. Same with most QB's. The mechanical issues Bortles has transcends the work most QB's do in offseason. But I don't expect you to comprehend this basic and simple fact.
Yep. I need the media to tell me throwing picks in a practice to guys who might not make the 53 is bad. I need the media to tell me 11-53 as a starting QB is bad, that he threw the most picks in 3rd down over any other QB in the league, that he still lacks the ability to hit receivers in stride or connect on an endzone fade route, etc. These are all things nobody knew until the ~media~ spoke their guiding words.
NO ONE IS SAYING HENNE IS THE ANSWER. Can you read? Right now he is the most reliable option and best option monetarily for the franchise.
Keep going. Please. There's only one person making a fool out of themselves and it's not me.
I briefly skimmed this thread, but the guy with ocean front property in Kansas has piqued my interest.
Please pm me with all your information on said property, thanks.
(08-23-2017, 11:08 PM)navyjagfan Wrote: [ -> ]Actually this is way off, because we have several free agents that need to be re-signed next year, including Telvin Smith, A-Rob, Lee. Plus the Jags may want to go after someone like Alex Smith in FA.
$19M in cap space for a player who can't play and has no future is a huge risk.
It is a risk. And local media seems sold on the idea of cutting Bortles to avoid that cap hit.
But #WinToday contradicts this. It was very clear that Bortles has been their guy from the beginning. And everybody signed off. #WinToday always meant Bortles.
Alex Smith is #MaybeWinNextYearIfBySomeStrangeChanceHeWantsToSignWithUs. Same for other free agents. So when are we winning again?
(08-24-2017, 01:10 AM)haveaseat Wrote: [ -> ] (08-24-2017, 12:42 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Jesus Christ you're as clueless as they come. Tom Brady still works out with the same people Bortles is working out with and hes been in the NFL for how many years? He's just one of ALL of them who continues to work out with QB specialists during the off season. But I don't expect you to understand, or comprehend this basic and simple fact.
We get it, you're one of the many casuals who is stuck on the public bandwagon because that's what the media says. The TV/media says "we want Henne" so now you and all the other casuals want him as well. That's fine, but you'll soon be following the next popular media opinion of some talking clown. You'll realize Henne is still awful and they'll be calling for Henne's head as soon as he plays a couple games. But instead of admitting your guy's stupid mistake, you'll try and make up some dumb crap so you can try and spin it in some way.
Tom Brady is the greatest of all time. A perfectionist. The guy was practicing his pocket footwork on the sideline in a pre-season against us he wasn't even playing in. Not to mention, it's mentioned all the time how Brady does it to tune up, not to learn how to throw a football or else he forgets after a few months. Same with most QB's. The mechanical issues Bortles has transcends the work most QB's do in offseason. But I don't expect you to comprehend this basic and simple fact.
Yep. I need the media to tell me throwing picks in a practice to guys who might not make the 53 is bad. I need the media to tell me 11-53 as a starting QB is bad, that he threw the most picks in 3rd down over any other QB in the league, that he still lacks the ability to hit receivers in stride or connect on an endzone fade route, etc. These are all things nobody knew until the ~media~ spoke their guiding words.
NO ONE IS SAYING HENNE IS THE ANSWER. Can you read? Right now he is the most reliable option and best option monetarily for the franchise.
Keep going. Please. There's only one person making a fool out of themselves and it's not me.
You're holding onto the name of Tom Brady way too much. We all know he's one of the greatest to ever play. That fact of the matter is that even he still sees people to work on his game. Every QB is practicing with QB specialists for a reason. They're all going to tune up, tighten up any flaws and to correct things. If you think Bortles is the only QB trying to tighten up his throwing motion you're more lost then I thought.
Why you're even bringing up practice INTs is pathetic in itself. The best QBs of all time throw INTs to nobodies in practice...
It's not hard to comprehend that maybe he threw the most picks on 3rd down because he has been forced to carry this team on his back. He has been forced to create and do everything because the OL has been awful and the running game has been awful. Bortles has been plenty [BLEEP] himself, but he hasn't gotten much help, whether you want to admit it or not.
It must be luck for somebody to throw 35 TD passes, but not be able to hit receivers in stride. Oh wait, it was all garbage time right and nobody was covering anybody. That's it.
I don't deny his issues throwing fade routes in the endzone. You're 100% correct about that.
Lol yea ok. We'll see just how long you guys really think Henne is the most reliable/best option. If he makes it beyond this Thursdays game as the starter. I give it a max of 3-4 weeks into the regular season before you're all regretting your decision, calling for his head and screaming at the front office for why on earth did he ever get any playing time to begin with.
(08-24-2017, 02:18 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-24-2017, 01:10 AM)haveaseat Wrote: [ -> ]Tom Brady is the greatest of all time. A perfectionist. The guy was practicing his pocket footwork on the sideline in a pre-season against us he wasn't even playing in. Not to mention, it's mentioned all the time how Brady does it to tune up, not to learn how to throw a football or else he forgets after a few months. Same with most QB's. The mechanical issues Bortles has transcends the work most QB's do in offseason. But I don't expect you to comprehend this basic and simple fact.
Yep. I need the media to tell me throwing picks in a practice to guys who might not make the 53 is bad. I need the media to tell me 11-53 as a starting QB is bad, that he threw the most picks in 3rd down over any other QB in the league, that he still lacks the ability to hit receivers in stride or connect on an endzone fade route, etc. These are all things nobody knew until the ~media~ spoke their guiding words.
NO ONE IS SAYING HENNE IS THE ANSWER. Can you read? Right now he is the most reliable option and best option monetarily for the franchise.
Keep going. Please. There's only one person making a fool out of themselves and it's not me.
You're holding onto the name of Tom Brady way too much. We all know he's one of the greatest to ever play. That fact of the matter is that even he still sees people to work on his game. Every QB is practicing with QB specialists for a reason. They're all going to tune up, tighten up any flaws and to correct things. If you think Bortles is the only QB trying to tighten up his throwing motion you're more lost then I thought.
Why you're even bringing up practice INTs is pathetic in itself. The best QBs of all time throw INTs to nobodies in practice...
It's not hard to comprehend that maybe he threw the most picks on 3rd down because he has been forced to carry this team on his back. He has been forced to create and do everything because the OL has been awful and the running game has been awful. Bortles has been plenty [BLEEP] himself, but he hasn't gotten much help, whether you want to admit it or not.
It must be luck for somebody to throw 35 TD passes, but not be able to hit receivers in stride. Oh wait, it was all garbage time right and nobody was covering anybody. That's it.
I don't deny his issues throwing fade routes in the endzone. You're 100% correct about that.
Lol yea ok. We'll see just how long you guys really think Henne is the most reliable/best option. If he makes it beyond this Thursdays game as the starter. I give it a max of 3-4 weeks into the regular season before you're all regretting your decision, calling for his head and screaming at the front office for why on earth did he ever get any playing time to begin with.
Tightening up your throwing motion is completely different than having to change it from a full wind up. Are you serious? Bortles mechanics are flawed beyond most starting QB's and despite his offseason he still does it and has done it in pre-season and in practice. It's who he is. Do you deny that?
You sound like Caldwell holding onto one year. The NFL is a what have I done for you lately league. Want me to list a string on QB's with one good year? I will if you want. I won't get into the "garbage time" because as a viewer I don't know what situational plays were being called in games so I can't comment on that.
Hell, we will all be calling for Henne's head at some point cause he isn't the answer either. Like I've said. But to say Bortles is the better option at this very moment based on what we've seen recently is ludicrous. He is not there mentally to play the game and his arm is clearly tired before the season has even begun. Neither guy is the future for this team.
(08-24-2017, 02:39 AM)haveaseat Wrote: [ -> ] (08-24-2017, 02:18 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]You're holding onto the name of Tom Brady way too much. We all know he's one of the greatest to ever play. That fact of the matter is that even he still sees people to work on his game. Every QB is practicing with QB specialists for a reason. They're all going to tune up, tighten up any flaws and to correct things. If you think Bortles is the only QB trying to tighten up his throwing motion you're more lost then I thought.
Why you're even bringing up practice INTs is pathetic in itself. The best QBs of all time throw INTs to nobodies in practice...
It's not hard to comprehend that maybe he threw the most picks on 3rd down because he has been forced to carry this team on his back. He has been forced to create and do everything because the OL has been awful and the running game has been awful. Bortles has been plenty [BLEEP] himself, but he hasn't gotten much help, whether you want to admit it or not.
It must be luck for somebody to throw 35 TD passes, but not be able to hit receivers in stride. Oh wait, it was all garbage time right and nobody was covering anybody. That's it.
I don't deny his issues throwing fade routes in the endzone. You're 100% correct about that.
Lol yea ok. We'll see just how long you guys really think Henne is the most reliable/best option. If he makes it beyond this Thursdays game as the starter. I give it a max of 3-4 weeks into the regular season before you're all regretting your decision, calling for his head and screaming at the front office for why on earth did he ever get any playing time to begin with.
Tightening up your throwing motion is completely different than having to change it from a full wind up. Are you serious? Bortles mechanics are flawed beyond most starting QB's and despite his offseason he still does it and has done it in pre-season and in practice. It's who he is. Do you deny that?
You sound like Caldwell holding onto one year. The NFL is a what have I done for you lately league. Want me to list a string on QB's with one good year? I will if you want.
Hell, we will all be calling for Henne's head at some point cause he isn't the answer either. Like I've said. But to say Bortles is the better option based on what we've seen recently is ludicrous. He is not there mentally to play the game and his arm is clearly tired before the season has even begun.
It was well known that he was dealing with a shoulder injury last season, but nobody acts like that ever happened. That's fine.
His throwing motion is completely different from last season. You love to use practice and preseason so much, yet it's been shown multiple times how different it is during practice and preseason.
Yea it's a what have I done for you lately league.. You wont find Henne on this list any time lately and you sure as hell wont find his name on that list ever. At least Bortles has shown some upside in his career.
Yea I do want you to show me a list. I want a list of every QB who has had one good year and they all better have better numbers than Bortles' best year. Since it's so easy, the list should be very long.
I also think it's comical how everybody knows how Bortles' confidence is, as well as knowing how tired his arm is. It's almost like the majority of this message board is actually inside the facility and are working with the team, or are actually on the team and in the locker room.
(08-24-2017, 03:03 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-24-2017, 02:39 AM)haveaseat Wrote: [ -> ]Tightening up your throwing motion is completely different than having to change it from a full wind up. Are you serious? Bortles mechanics are flawed beyond most starting QB's and despite his offseason he still does it and has done it in pre-season and in practice. It's who he is. Do you deny that?
You sound like Caldwell holding onto one year. The NFL is a what have I done for you lately league. Want me to list a string on QB's with one good year? I will if you want.
Hell, we will all be calling for Henne's head at some point cause he isn't the answer either. Like I've said. But to say Bortles is the better option based on what we've seen recently is ludicrous. He is not there mentally to play the game and his arm is clearly tired before the season has even begun.
It was well known that he was dealing with a shoulder injury last season, but nobody acts like that ever happened. That's fine.
His throwing motion is completely different from last season. You love to use practice and preseason so much, yet it's been shown multiple times how different it is during practice and preseason.
Yea it's a what have I done for you lately league.. You wont find Henne on this list any time lately and you sure as hell wont find his name on that list ever. At least Bortles has shown some upside in his career.
Yea I do want you to show me a list. I want a list of every QB who has had one good year and they all better have better numbers than Bortles' best year. Since it's so easy, the list should be very long.
I also think it's comical how everybody knows how Bortles' confidence is, as well as knowing how tired his arm is. It's almost like the majority of this message board is actually inside the facility and are working with the team, or are actually on the team and in the locker room.
You have the injury report for the shoulder by any chance? Nonetheless, of course he does. His arm is clearly tired before this season and he said he had dead arm after his rookie year. The guy's arm can't handle the NFL so far. I mean, it explains a lot. There's really not much to say about it?
Yeah? Then surely you've seen how under the slightest amount of pressure he reverts back to his old habits. Unless you aren't paying attention.
Are you seriously that dense? How can you compare numbers with QB's working with entirely different receivers, TE's and offensive lines? However, in terms of one year wonders: Derek Anderson (29 TD's over 3,600 yards), Tommy Maddox (13 games 20 TDs), Scott Mitchell (32 TD's nearly 4,400 yards), Steve Beurelein (36 TD's nearly 4,500 yards), hell even Vince Young was OROY. Not sure about Nick Foles but I recall one good year from him in Philly.
You don't need to be in the building to see the obvious unless you are blind and/or stupid.
Honestly, this whole discussion is hilariously dumb. Bortles or Henne. It's like arguing which turd is greener than the other.